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To: presidio9
Me: Are you still beating your wife?

You: Why would you bring that type of comment into a religious discussion? I find it hard to believe that a person who would say something like that has a strong relationship with his God.

I was being sarcastic. It was an example of a loaded question, such as "why haven't you explained your other lies yet?"

Three that immediately spring to mind are your assertion that the movie depiction of Jews is not in line with the Gospel.

I believe I agreed with the article at the beginning of this thread that the movie portrays the Jews even worse than the Gospels suggest. That is about the closest I came to saying it is not in line with the Gospels.

You also said that divorce is penalized by excommunication from the Catholic Church. That is completely false.

I have responded to this about three times already to other posters. I was incorrect about that, the Church excommunicates only those who are divorced and remarry. That was a mistake, albeit a minor one. However, the point I was making with that statement, which no one has yet answered, is how can the Catholic Church justify excommunicating people for such a minor sin when Jesus said:

Luk 5:29 And Levi (the traitor) made him a great feast in his own house: and there was a great company of publicans (traitors) and of others that sat down with them.
Luk 5:30 But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans (traitors) and sinners?
Luk 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
So, how can the Catholic Church justify excommunicating such minor sinners when Jesus said his whole purpose on earth was to minister to traitors and other morally sick individuals. Isn't the Church doing exactly what it loves to call the Pharisees hypocrites for doing?

You have claimed on other threads that Barabas was merely a political prisoner, and not a murderer.

The Gospels themselves say he was convicted of an insurrection in which someone was killed. How is that any different from William Wallace (Braveheart)?

If I had to choose an admirable person between Matthew and Barabbas, I would chose Barabbas.

309 posted on 03/08/2004 8:45:34 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
I was being sarcastic. It was an example of a loaded question, such as "why haven't you explained your other lies yet?"

An intelligent person would be able to convey that feeling without allegations of "wife-beating."

I believe I agreed with the article at the beginning of this thread that the movie portrays the Jews even worse than the Gospels suggest. That is about the closest I came to saying it is not in line with the Gospels.

Actually, the movie actually tones down the role of the Jews in Jesus's death versus the Biblical account. This has been demonstrated many times, including by myself on this very thread. You cling to your interpretation of anitsemitism, because for you religion is about oppression.

So, how can the Catholic Church justify excommunicating such minor sinners when Jesus said his whole purpose on earth was to minister to traitors and other morally sick individuals. Isn't the Church doing exactly what it loves to call the Pharisees hypocrites for doing?

You are still wrong. The Catholic Church does not excommunicate people who divorce and remarry. Got it? Has John Kerry been excommunicated? Ted Kennedy? No. Excommunication is an extremely rare penalty reserved for those who practice habitual and unrepentant behavior. Serial marriers are not included in that group, because the Church simply refuses to re-marry them, and it does not recognize wedlock outside the church. If a Catholic divorces and remarries, the Church considers him married to his first wife, and living in a state of adultery. But it does not excommunicate him. Now, you have been told. Do not make that mistake again, please.

If I had to choose an admirable person between Matthew and Barabbas, I would chose Barabbas.

This just proves that you do not understand Christ's message. But we already knew that.

316 posted on 03/09/2004 7:00:40 AM PST by presidio9 (FREE MARTHA)
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