Angry cries of America's 'outsourced' middle class

The Arizona Republic ^ | 03.09.04 | E.J. Montini

[CasearianDaoist]

Listen, 25 years ago we force Japan to build plants in this country and force a "voluntary" export quota on the Japanese. And that Maxda buyout was part of an informa trade policy with the Japanese. 20 years ago they funtionally did the same thing with semiconductors to split the markets between drams in asia and cpus in this country. Uncontrolled Globalism is a recent practice.

Keep drinking the globalist Koolaid, while you can afford it.

[Cronos]

All one has to do is look to England's and France's fall from world powers thinking that they can maintain their wealth through offshoring their industries to the new world or to third worlds.

GEt real, England and France fell because of two little wars that were there in the early half of the 20th century, in case you can't remember, they were called World War I and II.

[Wolfie]

Yeah, I know. But the buggywhip nonsense is faulty logic, plain and simple.

[Dane]

And how many elections have you won? There are still 8 months till the election.

Sorry but I don't see a weak defense, raising taxes, or promoting gay marriage as winners for the demos.

It must be disappointing that to you that there are other issues out there to burst your omnipotent progniscator throne that you have crowned yourself to be.

[Dane]

Keep drinking the globalist Koolaid, while you can afford it.

You should know, you are taking the Jim Jones approach of constant gloom and doom when it comes to lashing out at companies trying to be the most profitable they can be.

[TXBSAFH]

People are scared and angry about this. That is a dangerious combination in an election year.

[Monty22]

This offshoring subject is tearing FR up badly. I think all sides need to be a little more open minded personally.

[FITZ]

I agree the economy was terrible under Clinton and many people were put out of work in the 90's --- we saw it here ---14,000 people out of work in just a few years in just one town and many never have worked again. I never said the 90s was a good economy --- the tax cuts have helped a lot but the spending is a bad sign.

I agree about Bush ---- it would be terrifying if the democrats would win --- they not only promote the outsourcing of jobs --- they're going to hike the welfare programs and really start spiking the taxes up.

[CasearianDaoist]

No you have your blinders on. The swing voter cares more about their pocket book then all of the other issues you mentioned. That is why it is tailor made- it speaks to the middle voter who is mostly pragmatic and not ideological.

If this issued is not address, Bush will lose. Rove and Co. are already controlling the debate. If the WOT terror was so important to the voter then why would we have this planned slow down in it? Why "No War in '04?"

The growing concern with globalism as articulate by immigration, outsourcing and manufacturing flight is a real issue. Bush is not addressing it.

[Dane]

This offshoring subject is tearing FR up badly. I think all sides need to be a little more open minded personally.

I am open mined. I don't think that govt. should tell legitimate companies how to run their businesses.

That what democrats do.

[Cronos]

Bottom line: There is no loyalty at large companies. There is no person or even a small group of individuals to EVEN BE LOYAL TO. If your looking for job security big companies aint it.

No, folks here are looking for jbos for life , like the Japs, oops, sorry, those guys have had a recession now, for, oh, over a decade????

[Cronos]

The social welfare system should be scrapped as of today, right now. It requires quite lot of political hee haws, but it has to be done.

[CasearianDaoist]

Spare me the foul manners, the presonal attacks and the mindless sloganeering. If you have a rational argument make it. Otherwise leave me alone.

[Monty22]

You say you're open minded, then repeat some nonsense about absolute capitalistic anarchy, which never has worked.

I think we need some controls, and some protections. Especially when we are competing against UNFAIR countries with such lower standards of living. All this pure globalism will do, and you must know this, is bring us down a lot, and them up a little.

[Dane]

No you have your blinders on. The swing voter cares more about their pocket book then all of the other issues you mentioned. That is why it is tailor made- it speaks to the middle voter who is mostly pragmatic and not ideological

I never siad that pocketbook issues aren't important, but there is a war on terror going on and other issues such as gay marriage.

I can't help it if you make blanket statements about elections that only mention your pet issue or that you refuse to see that the unemployment rate is 5.6% and that most Americans are well off.

You would rather hyperbolize your one issue and make chicken little blush.

[Dane]

Spare me the foul manners, the presonal attacks and the mindless sloganeering. If you have a rational argument make it. Otherwise leave me alone.

IOW, you are putting your hands up to your ears and screaming, "lalalalalalala, I don't hear you".

[Beck_isright]

"And there will be a scadal maufactured a week. We are just heading into a rat's nest of "congressional probes."

All bogus of course, but you are correct.

" There will also be pressure form the EU orcastrated by the DNC. Bush does not seem to understand the forces railed against him."

There seems to be a continious bliss in D.C. Both sides don't understand we are concerned about this and many other issues. But Bush should know that they are pulling out all of the stops so that the gloablists can advance their agenda here faster. He's blind to reality.

"I am amazed that people on FR think that is campaign is going well."

I'm not. There are many zombies posting here on a daily, hell hourly basis.

"So far it is a disater. Does anyone here watch the mainstream media? I have never seen anything like this: constant negatives and constant proaganda even in the sitcoms. The GOP is not getting it."

That is the sad reality. They are acting just like they did in 1996; weak and disorganized.

[Monty22]

"I never siad that pocketbook issues aren't important, but there is a war on terror going on and other issues such as gay marriage. "

The war on islamic terror is the #1 by a good margin, then economy. Then gun laws. The rest of the social agenda is pretty far down there in real world issues for me. My opinion of course.

[Beck_isright]

"People are scared and angry about this. That is a dangerious combination in an election year."

That is the bottom line. Too bad the koolaid drinkers don't understand this fact. That 20% of jello voters will react to this issue.

[Dane]

That is the sad reality. They are acting just like they did in 1996; weak and disorganized.

Huh, let's see. The AWB ban will sunset. Bush has come out strongly against gay marriage, there is not tax increase.

Oh that's correct, Bush hasn't put a sword in the evil multinational corporations, so he's scum according to Beckis right.

JMO, Beck, Ralph Nader may be your candidate.