Utah Woman Charged With Murdering Fetus

Yahoo ^ | 3/12/04 | ALEXANDRIA SAGE

[CajunConservative]

You need to check out some of the links in the thread. She's a real piece of work. She had already had at least 2 prior c-sections, is being investigated for baby selling, tried to sell the dead baby to an adoptive family in California in exchange for bail money.

If she was getting into the private adoption business, IE, baby selling to the highest bidder, having to have another c-section would indeed have ruined her life.

I mean she was 28, she had at least 5-10 years of production left, but then as the number of c-sections increase the chances for a safe full term pregnancy diminishes drastically with each subsequent delivery. Don't forget she was on medicaid so we were paying for her medical care for each pregnancy while she was having a bidding war with desperate adoptive families.

[Iron Matron]

This woman is a danger to the children she has that survived. She showed gross and flagrant disregard for the life of her child.

This is what the statanic people of abortion industry mind-sets have brought to this society.

A woman murders her child by NEGLECT and a bunch of people are actually defending the beech!

The woman needs to SUFFER, and probably will - in hell.

[!1776!]

Do you mean, for instance, if the doctor tells me my smoking might harm my children, and I continue to smoke, and my child gets an ear infection of unknown origin, I should be charged with assault? After all statistics will say that blahblahblah percent of kids in smoking homes get ear infections and the doctor warned me and I consciously rejected his medical advice.

I reject the premise of your (rant) question. My statement concerned a known and immediate danger to the life of a person who is unable to represent their own self interests. Maybe I should have made that more clear for the reading for comprehension challenged...

By the way - it would be better for your kids health if you didn't smoke around them.

The reason I say assault and not abuse is because they are charging this woman with murder not negligent homicide.

I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, nor do I think I know more about the aplicable laws in that state. In addition, I am not privy to the facts at hand. Combined, this means I am not qualified to comment on what the appopriate charge, if any, should be.

Are you?

The state has a compelling interest in the outcome whenever a doctor makes a recommendation right?

That is not (even close to) what I typed. For a quick reminder (emphasis added for clarity):

One possible test could be [...]

To break that up for you - one, meaning an indivudual option. Please note that this word is not meant to limit other potential options. Possible, meaning most likely needs work, is a starting point for more discussion. Could be - meaning an idea or suggestion for discussion.

A doctor's opinion always concerns health and life right?

What does that have to do with "one possible test?" Really, besides cutting out smoking around your kids (for their health) you might want to cut back on the caffine.

Have a good day.

[TheWriterInTexas]

Dear Trinity:

Based on the details being revealed in later threads, it appears she might not have wanted the surgery because of her drugs/alcohol use.

If this appears to be the case, she had lost all of my sympathy and any support.

I stated before that if I was wrong, I would admit it. I was obviously wrong about her.

[Trinity_Tx]

Well, you sure did, and ya truly didn't have to. : ) I was just guessing, myself.

It's still a tough case, even knowing what we do now, isn't it... sheesh. Sad, sad story all around.

[TigersEye]

I'm sorry about the nasty things I've said to you. It was wrong of me. I could give you my excuses about this being an emotional issue, but when you get right down to it, I was wrong. Will you forgive me?

Sorry for the delay in reply to you. I just returned from CO Sat. night. Thank you for your apology. My forgiveness is yours. Think no more about it.

[TigersEye]

Particularly in the case of rape victims, there is no logical exception to be made.

That's true.

[Flightdeck]

My wife is pregnant with our first, so now I hear all these updates on what's new with the baby. The other day she told me that it (we don't know the sex) found it's first toy: it is swinging around the umbilical cord for fun. Not only is that hilarious, it makes me even more dumbfounded that somebody could believe it isn't a human life. It is a human merely in it's very first stages of development, same as any other lifeform. Mark my words, abortion will go down as a stain on American history right next to slavery.

[TigersEye]

Will my daughter someday be charged with murder or some lessor crime, if she drinks coffee or smokes during pregnacy, and her baby is born defective? I have seen that position advanced by certain elements of our society.

On my recent visit to CO I learned that Boulder now has a law that provides for issuing traffic tickets to anyone smoking in a vehicle with children in it. Big Brother is watching and he's getting bolder and stronger.

[TigersEye]

By the way - it would be better for your kids health if you didn't smoke around them.

That tells me all I need to know about your ideology. Thanks!

[greenwolf]

I spent the first 25 years of my life being the only person who didn't smoke in half the places I ever went. I remember sitting in government meetings for two hours while everybody else in the room chain-smoked; it took an hour and a half for my eyes to start working again afterwards. Being the only person in the room who didn't smoke was a sort of a limited asset.

If I was writing the laws for smoking, you'd probably have to wear a dunce cap while smoking and anybody caught smoking WITHOUT his dunce cap on would get flogged.

[TigersEye]

Being the only person in the room who didn't smoke was a sort of a limited asset.

One of many I'm sure. ; )

[!1776!]

By the way - it would be better for your kids health if you didn't smoke around them.

That tells me all I need to know about your ideology. Thanks!

Glad you are able to probe the depths of my ideology from one post. Maybe you are a miracle worker. Maybe you are an idiot.

My guess leans closer to the second. I have no problem with people smoking. I have no problem with bars, restaurants or other establishments allowing smoking on their property. I am a big boy and I can pick and chose where I want to go (notice, for the intelligence impaired, I still have not stated whether I would prefer to go to a smoke free or an establishment that allows smoking).

However, if you are brain dead enough to think that creating an atmospheric environment for your children which includes increased levels of known toxins and carcinogens (however small) is a bonus, then debating anything with you is more futile than banging ones head against a brick wall.

Glad you figured out my ideology. I think I've got yours - if it feels good do it. Sounds a lot like Kerry's...

[TigersEye]

You are a true master of the art of assumption but it is your powerful command of hyperventilated hyperbolic ad hominem that really has me reeling. 8^o

Thanks for the laughs, chucklehead!

[!1776!]

That tells me all I need to know about your ideology. Thanks!

You are a true master of the art of assumption

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle...

Take care.