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Spain - Investigators see ETA, not al-Qaida, behind Madrid blasts
Knight Ridder Newspapers | March 12, 2004 | MATTHEW SCHOFIELD and ALEJANDRO BODIPO-MEMBA

Posted on 03/12/2004 5:53:26 PM PST by HAL9000

MADRID, Spain - Armed with what they said was new evidence, Spanish officials remained adamant Friday that they believe that the Basque separatist group ETA, not the al-Qaida terrorist network, was behind the morning rush-hour train bombings that rocked this capital city Thursday.

With the death toll nearing 200 and dozens of the wounded still in critical condition, Interior Minister Angel Acebes announced Friday evening that he was more convinced than ever that ETA was to blame for the 10 explosions that ripped through three Madrid commuter rail stations just as people were disembarking on their way to work.

Acebes said the bombs consisted of satchels filled with 20 to 30 pounds of dynamite, set off by a cell phone. He said the dynamite chemically matched 1,100 pounds of explosives seized in February from an ETA van heading toward Madrid, and that the satchel and cell phone setup matched that found on two ETA members when they were arrested at a northern Madrid commuter rail station on Christmas Eve.

"This explosion had a very similar modus operandi used by the terrorist group ETA," he said.

Millions of Spaniards filled the streets of Madrid and other major cities Friday in tribute to the dead and injured and to protest the attacks. Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar marched in front of one group in Madrid, and columns of demonstrators stretched for miles.

Spanish flags with black banners hung from light poles and balconies throughout the capital.

The outpouring of grief and anger was unprecedented. Some reports said nearly a quarter of Spain's 50 million people had participated in the marches, including an estimated 2.5 million in Madrid.

The crowds were so densely packed in Madrid that it was impossible to move against the tide. Anger was palpable.

"Snakes," "assassins" and "murderers" were among the insults hurled in unison by hundreds of demonstrators at a time. Placards proclaimed that "A people united will never be defeated" and "ETA No."

If the crowd seemed united in its denunciation of ETA, there was still much discussion from Washington to Madrid about responsibility for the attacks.

A caller claiming to represent ETA denied that the group had been involved in the attack. Journalists here said ETA never had rejected responsibility for an attack before.

In Washington, the FBI said it hadn't dispatched any agents to Spain and wouldn't do so unless the Spanish government requested them. No Americans died in the blasts, though the dead included citizens of at least 11 countries.

Aznar offered citizenship to all illegal residents of Spain whose relatives were killed in the blasts. He said the government thought they would be essential to identify the final 70 bodies at the city's makeshift morgue. The dead are thought to be illegal immigrants whose relatives are afraid of being deported if they come to claim the bodies.

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he'd been briefed on the attacks and that American officials were interested in any similarities to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.

"The patterns - multiple sites, multiple stations," Frist said. "Very much like having multiple places here in this country."

U.S. officials said the evidence cut both ways. Asa Hutchinson, the Homeland Security Department's undersecretary of borders and transportation, said American intelligence agencies had detected no spike in "chatter" among al-Qaida-related groups before the attacks. Other U.S. officials stressed that the group that claimed responsibility for the bombings, the Abu Hafs al Masri Brigades, is thought to exist in name only and has made implausible claims of responsibility before.

Hutchinson also said, however, that the pattern of the attacks required considering al-Qaida's involvement.

"One of the things that gives you cause for concern is the level of complexity in the attack and the coordination and the simultaneous nature of it, which all is a characteristic of the capability and style of al-Qaida," he said. "That's not to say that means it's them, but that certainly gives you concern."

Even in Madrid, there were open doubts about the government's insistence that ETA was behind the attacks.

Many Spaniards, particularly those who support the Socialist Party in Sunday's elections, suggested that Aznar's government might not be willing to disclose an al-Qaida link until after the vote, for fear of hurting the chances of Aznar's Populist Party holding on to power.

"Listen, ETA has never done a bombing like this without calling and warning the government beforehand," said Olga Gonzalez, a 32-year-old secretary. "Ninety percent of Spaniards were against the war in Iraq. If al-Qaida is involved and not ETA, this changes everything for the elections. It will only help to elect the Socialist Party."

Interior Minister Acebes was adamant that the evidence pointed to ETA. He noted that ETA has a history of creating havoc in the days before a national election.

He also said the explosives used - Goma II Eco - were made in Spain and that ETA had used the same brand in previous attacks.

"Of course we will continue to investigate any and all information we get on who may be responsible," he said. "But at this point there is mounting evidence that this was not the work of al-Qaida."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 31104; alqaeda; alqaida; bomb; eta; madrid; madridbombing; madridmassacre; spain; train

1 posted on 03/12/2004 5:53:27 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Today's NY Times also says that the explosives match the stuff used by ETA. If so, I still suspect that ETA and al Qaeda were working together. ETA might have supplied safe houses, explosives, and intelligence while al Qaeda supplied the terrorists.

I think ETA is perfectly capable of cold-blooded murder on a large scale, but it's hard to see what they gain by this or why they would deny it if they thought it had some purpose.
2 posted on 03/12/2004 6:08:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Cicero: I posted this a few minutes ago on Backhoe's Madrid links thread: "FR"...Terror Strike! Madrid-

It seems relevant here, though..


Here's a report from Germany's "Spiegel"

An unexploded 25 lb bomb was found in a back-pack. This bomb contained nails and screws to increase lethal effect. The bomb was discovered because of tones coming from a ringing cell phone that was inside the backpacks,. The cellphone wasn't connected to the explosives.

Here's the most important part, IMO, and which I have translated from "Spiegel"...

The type of explosive found is more decisive, however. According to information from "Cardena Ser", they are dealing with "Special C" which is produced in Spain. The Basque terrorist organization ETA normally doesn't use this type of explosive device, says the report. From findings of Spanish terror investigators the ETA uses mostly conventional explosives, which they have stolen from mining operations.

"Special C" is linked to terrorists in the Islamic extremeist scene.

The "Spiegel" says this information is still unconfirmed by Spanish investigators, and, therefore, their German bomb expert sources don't want to speculate on news reports. Spanish media had been reporting that unexploded backpacks which were found had been consistent with ETA devices. Spanish authorities and international secret services are still presuming ETA is responsible, since a letter claiming responsiblity is inconclusive.

Synopsis complete...

"Spiegel Online".....Rätsel um nicht explodierte Bombe

longjack

3 posted on 03/12/2004 6:22:02 PM PST by longjack
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To: longjack
Thanks for posting that excerpt from "Spiegel".
This attack will only help to galvanize European countries (except for France and Germany) and strengthen their resolve to help the US stamp out terrorists (ie., kill them). France and Germany will likely take the liberal appeasement approach, but I think Spain is more pissed than it is scared.
4 posted on 03/12/2004 6:28:28 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: HAL9000
Some additional stuff
5 posted on 03/12/2004 6:32:44 PM PST by Hamiltonian
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To: HAL9000
Eh, blame Al kaida in any case. That way the Basque separatists won't get any buck for their bang, and the Spanish will start tossing the moors back to North Africa where they belong.
6 posted on 03/12/2004 6:38:31 PM PST by rageaholic
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To: longjack
Interesting. I read earlier that the explosive was manufactured in Spain, which I thought was somewhat unusual, since ETA usually steals its stuff from construction sites in France. However, it wasn't inconceivable, particularly since they obviously needed a lot of it; I thought perhaps they'd had to branch out to other sources. But the fact that "Special C" is linked to Islamists certainly changes this.

Over the last couple of months, the Spanish authorities have nabbed several ETA couriers attempting to transport explosives or actual bombs. I wonder about the composition of the explosives found with them.

Personally, I think this whole thing screams al Qaeda, but I'm sure ETA was also involved, at some level. ETA has lost many of its senior people to aggressive law enforcement, and they have been replaced by young, inexperienced recruits. Possibly these recruits are more radical and saw in Al Qaeda's plan a way of really striking at Spain.
7 posted on 03/12/2004 6:39:01 PM PST by livius
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To: Lancey Howard
This attack will only help to galvanize European countries (except for France and Germany) and strengthen their resolve to help the US stamp out terrorists (ie., kill them). France and Germany will likely take the liberal appeasement approach, but I think Spain is more pissed than it is scared.

I hope you are right. However, assuming Arabs are involved, it looks like Spain paid a high price for their alliance with us. Spain might be more "pissed than it is scared" because this type of attack is unlikely to be repeated in Spain anytime soon. But another country might not want to be the next Spain. In war you do not win every battle, and I am afraid that yesterday we lost one.

8 posted on 03/12/2004 6:40:42 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: HAL9000
I was in Bilbao and San Sebastian in the Basque region of Spain last November and took this picture of a poster I came across.

I'd forgotten all about it until yesterday's attack. I found a one-word-at-a-time Basque/English translator and the slogan would probably say in English "The Basque Country Revolution is also Socialist".

The URL in the lower left corner leads to an interesting site. It's in Basque (Euskadi), but you get the drift of it right away.

9 posted on 03/12/2004 6:43:10 PM PST by Uncle Sausage
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To: livius
Drudge has a developing story saying that Spanish officials are divided on who staged this attack. I read earlier today that the detonators were of the type used by Al Qaida. If ETA launched this attack, why would they deny it? The MO of terrorists is to claim responsibility. If you don't claim it, there's no political impact.

The Islamics had a hand in this.
10 posted on 03/12/2004 8:15:26 PM PST by zook
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To: rageaholic
That's harsh. and ETA did not do it.
11 posted on 03/12/2004 10:07:56 PM PST by Iberian
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To: Uncle Sausage
Too bad you were not there today to share their sorrow in the same region. The ETA is a terrorist organization just like AQ. The spaniards don't want anything to do with either one.
12 posted on 03/12/2004 10:10:59 PM PST by Iberian
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To: Iberian
Now the Spaniard have two organizations trying to kill them all.
This is a very Democratic and successful country. This will be a test of the will of the people.
13 posted on 03/12/2004 10:18:32 PM PST by Iberian
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To: HAL9000
Who cares!

Aluminum vs copper detonaters,

dynamite vs Special K!!

LETS HANG THE BA@#ATRDS!

14 posted on 03/12/2004 10:23:48 PM PST by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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To: Cicero
I think ETA is perfectly capable of cold-blooded murder on a large scale, but it's hard to see what they gain by this or why they would deny it if they thought it had some purpose.

Well what do you think they "gained" from the other 900 people they murdered over the past 30 years?

15 posted on 03/12/2004 10:40:18 PM PST by montag813
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To: livius; Lancey Howard
FYI
  "Spiegel Online"  

BOMBING SERIES IN MADRID

ETA Denies Participation in Terror Attack

The Basque underground organization ETA has denied any involvement in the bomb attacks leaving 200 dead in Madrid, according to media reports. An anonymous caller contacted both a Basque TV station and a newspaper.
 

Eta-Maskierte auf früherem Video im Mai 2003: Botschaften für das Fernsehen
Großbildansicht
AP
Masked ETA from an earlier video in May, 2003: Messages for TV
Madrid - The Basque newspaper "Gara", which is close to the separatists, reported the terror organization's denial in its internet edition on Friday evening. Accordingly, a caller, in the name of the ETA, rejected any responsibility of the organization for the bloodbath. According to the report, the anonymous caller contacted the editorial department at about 6 p.m.

The caller said, word-for-word: "The ETA had no responsibility for yesterday's attacks". "Gara" reported that  the caller spoke Basque.

Almost simultaneous with the "Gara" announcement, the Basque TV station, ETB, reported that there, also, a caller denied that the ETA had any responsibility for the bombs in the suburban trains.

Till now, the authenticity of the two calls hasn't been confirmed, but in the past, the ETA has regularly confessed to attacks through the TV station and the newspaper.

According to information from Basque TV, the call recorded by the station should be classified as genuine. A voice comparison has shown that the caller is the same one who, three weeks ago, in a video message in the name of the ETA, announced a "ceasefire" for the region of Catalonia.

On the other hand, the Spanish police further regard the ETA as the chief suspect. A bomb, which was discovered overnight in a Madrid police station and defused, consisted of dynamite produced in Spain, like that which has been used before by the organization, said Secretary of the Interior Angel Acebes. However, Islamic terrorists wouldn't be excluded as perpetrators. Investigations lead in all directions.

© SPIEGEL ONLINE 2004

"Spiegel Online"....Eta bestreitet Beteiligung an Terroranschlag

March 12, 2004

Translated by longjack

 

16 posted on 03/13/2004 12:57:22 AM PST by longjack
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To: rageaholic
Basque separatists are fighting a useless battle. No one in the world thinks, "hey, I have to go out to get BASQUE food."

Its like iraq - which has no real culture - you can't find iraqi restaurants - they don't exist. Same thing with the basques. I'd ship the moors back to Africa regardless of whatever they find with this previous bombing.
17 posted on 03/13/2004 9:39:06 PM PST by John Frum
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