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1 posted on 03/19/2004 7:54:54 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Texasforever
Got a couple of hours to kill?
2 posted on 03/19/2004 7:55:30 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Invisable Hand, indeed.
3 posted on 03/19/2004 7:57:56 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Good post.
7 posted on 03/19/2004 8:35:37 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Although the results follow logically from the assumptions, the assumptions are easily assailed as unrealistic.

Yeah, unrealistic is the polite way to put it. Some old division of labor stuff with a few fancy new words. The problem is that international relations must be competitive. Otherwise we'll get a regulated, planned, world economy where the One-Worlders sit in the middle controlling everyone else. Their advantage really doesn't compare. The rest will simply struggle to be "more efficient", longer working, less eating and most importantly less thinking serfs.

The usual way of stating the Ricardian model results is to say that countries will specialize in their comparative advantage good and trade them to the other country such that everyone in both countries benefit.

Big problem. Country by country specialization means dependence. Dependence means lost sovereignty. In todays high-tech world, flexibility is easy to achieve and there is no much need for specialization. But many governments are falling all over themselves to regulate and litigate the independent small producers out of existence. That's what the special interest wants, that's what they do. Silly economic theories are just the cover - bought and paid for.
8 posted on 03/19/2004 9:06:51 PM PST by CrucifiedTruth (The Crucified Truth lives forever.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Here's a good way to summarize the whole thing succinctly:

Bob is a brain surgeon. He can stuff envelopes, if you want him to, and can quickly work out a procedure to do this simple task very efficiently. More to the point, though, he can perform brain surgery.

Ted is a high school dropout. You could give him a copy of Neurosurgery for Dummies, and he could perform a lobotomy, eventually. He can also stuff envelopes, though he's not as quick as Bob at that, either.

There is some brain surgery to be done, and some envelope-stuffing to be done. Bob's better at both, so should we just have Bob spend half his time on each, and tell Ted to take a hike?

Of course not. Even though Ted isn't as good as Bob at envelope stuffing, Bob is so much better at brain surgery that it makes sense to put Ted to work stuffing envelopes and let Bob get on with practicing his trade. This is intuitively obvious.

Same thing in world trade. Sure, America can make tennis shoes. It might even be better at making tennis shoes than Malaysia. But Malaysia can make tennis shoes pretty well, and it's terrible at making bulldozers. So it makes the most sense for America to stick to making bulldozers, and Malaysia to stick to making shoes, rather than both countries trying to make both goods.

9 posted on 03/19/2004 9:19:40 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a rabid socialist. Look it up.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Comparative Advantage and Competition
William R. Hawkins
Thursday, March 04, 2004

Gregory Mankiw, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, triggered a political firestorm when he told the Joint Economic Committee of Congress (JEC) on February 10 that outsourcing jobs is “just a new way of doing international trade.” Yet, he was correct in his assessment. It was his total lack of concern about the consequences that provoked even the Republican Speaker of the U.S. House, Dennis Hastert of Illinois, to respond, “I understand that Mr. Mankiw is a brilliant economic theorist, but his theory fails a basic test of real economics.”

It is this conflict between theory and reality that has always driven debates over international trade. This discussion has often been sliced between economists on the one hand, and historians and political scientists on the other. Economics is a social science, not a hard science, despite all the attempts to disguise this fact with graphs, equations, and computer models. Economics is filled with contrasting philosophical views of how the world should work.

Mankiw´s idealism is evident from other things he said during his JEC testimony. Consider the following: “International cooperation is essential to realizing the potential gains from trade. Trade agreements have reduced barriers to international commerce, and contributed to the gains from trade. A system through which countries can resolve disputes can play an important role in realizing these gains.”

This statement reflects the theory of comparative advantage in its most simplistic form. Countries are to specialize in particular fields and then trade with those who have specialized in complementary fields. The emphasis is on cooperation, not competition. Each trading state recognizes and accepts its place in the integrated global economy. Indeed, the increasing use of the terms “integration” and “global” in place of “competition” and “international” reflect the philosophical bent of 19th century classical liberalism for harmony over rivalry.

There is, however, very little in the history of international trade to support this concept. David Ricardo conceived his comparative advantage model at a time when even his native England was not yet a fully industrial nation. He thus drew heavily on pre-industrial concepts based on a “natural” division of labor and specialization based on climate, raw materials and local artisan skills. One of the more famous examples of this approach is Adam Smith=s observation about the difficulty of growing bananas in Scotland.

Today, it is possible to manufacture products almost anywhere because technology is not limited by soil or climate like agriculture; transportation costs have dropped; capital is fluid; and there are smart, skilled people everywhere. Related to this “unnatural” state is another critical fact that free trade theory does not take into account: In a large and complex world, multiple nations can have a comparative advantage in the same field. They thus become rivals in the attempt to gain as large a share of world markets as possible.

The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) puts out measurements of “revealed” comparative advantage based on an index that compares the share of a given sector in national exports to the share of the sector in world exports (known as the Balassa formula). According to this measurement, the United States, China, Germany and Japan all have a comparative advantage in miscellaneous manufacturing; the U.S., China, Japan and Singapore have comparative advantages in electronic components; the U.S., Germany and Japan have advantages in transportation equipment (mainly cars and trucks) and in non-electrical machinery; the United States and Germany have an edge in chemicals; China and Germany both have comparative advantages in basic manufacturing, while Japan has just lost it advantage. In information technology and consumer electronics, China, Japan, and Singapore are rivals, with the United States having lost ground but still close enough to recover its advantage with a little effort. Comparative advantage is a dynamic function, subject to change over time as rivals actively compete, trying to better their position and knock out the others.

Ambitious nations are never satisfied with their “assigned” place in the system. The American colonies revolted against a British Empire that did not want them to develop industry but simply maintain their comparative advantage in the production of raw materials. Ricardo=s own classic “wine and cloth” example was meant to show that Portugal should accept its role as a traditional supplier of wine and let England move ahead with the new industrial process of cloth production. This example was denounced as “free trade imperialism” by all nations which understood that developing new technology and manufacturing capacity was the path to both prosperity and power. The current impasse at the Doha Round trade talks reflects this historic rivalry between developed and developing nations.

China is not going to accept the U.S.-Japanese-German edge in automobile production and import vehicles. It will build its own auto industry, along with industries in aerospace, chemicals and steel. Beijing will use American transnational corporations to aid in its development efforts, since these firms do not care where they produce. China will also push forward with its shipbuilding industry, even though South Korea, Japan and the European Union are currently more advanced. What moves international commerce is the same motive that moves business in general: cutthroat competition and a relentless desire to expand into new fields. The key difference between domestic and international competition is that the latter also affects national capabilities, which in turn can shift the world balance of power and with consequences far greater than those experienced by domestic companies in their more circumscribed competition.

The term “trade war” is far more applicable to the world trading system than most people want to admit. Political science professor William R. Thompson, from a career spent looking at the international system, has reached this conclusion: “Unlike the pattern in warfare in which ascending states fight their way up through their regional neighborhoods before taking on the system=s most powerful state, commercial challenges are aimed immediately at the leading commercial power.” Today, that target is the United States.

In this global competition, the United States is losing. There is no field in which its domestic producers are without rivals, which means that if national leaders adopt the attitude that it doesn´t matter who wins, America will be defeated by those who do care about winning. A $549 billion trade deficit in goods, and increasing penetration of foreign firms into key sectors of the domestic American economy, indicate how rivals are running up the score.

Professor Mankiw does not apparently think in these terms. The critical question is whether the man who appointed Mankiw, President George W. Bush, understands the larger issues at stake. So far, there is no evidence that he does.

William R. Hawkins is Senior Fellow for National Security Studies at the U.S. Business and Industry Council.


10 posted on 03/19/2004 9:23:32 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I trust that the theory is mathematically correct -- in the aggregate. Today's problem becomes apparent when you take it down to the level of individuals.

Suppose, in the England/cloth/Portugal/wine example, that England "decides" to make only cloth and Portugal "decides" to make only wine. (I put the word in quotes because it isn't up to countries to make such decisions.) Then we have the potential of a lot of unemployed English winemakers and a lot of unemployed Portuguese clothmakers. Over time the employment market will adjust, with the people concerned finding other jobs or leaving the job market.

The speed of business and markets has been increasing for some time now, probably more than the speed of individual adjustment. This increases the likelihood that individuals will be left in the lurch as markets adjust. Furthermore, if markets adjust quickly enough, it's conceivable that a slow-moving individual could be caught out-of-step multiple times before he finds a niche or gives up.

11 posted on 03/19/2004 9:24:56 PM PST by AZLiberty (Capitalism presumes we possess a traditional endowment of morals -- F. A. Hayek)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Good analysis. It also shows (in the gardening example) why management is so important. However, the Marxist-Buchannanist-Merchantilists still haven't risen to the level of Adam Smith, much less Ricardo, and thus won't understand.
20 posted on 03/19/2004 11:06:18 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The father estimates that it will take him three hours to prepare the garden if he works alone, as shown in the following table.

That's three man hrs.

Notice that the total time needed to prepare the garden has fallen from 3 hours to 2 hours....

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Overall efficiency is enhanced when both resources (the father and son) are fully employed.

That's four man hrs for the same task...You're fired!

50 posted on 03/20/2004 8:28:13 AM PST by lewislynn (Free traders know it isn't , they just believe cheap popcorn makers raises their living standards.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Comparitive Advantage may be easier to understand if the example was taken down to single people.

Assume I am both a better engineer and a better plumber than the guy down the street. If I make $100/ hour as an engineer, but only $65 as a plumber, then it is advantageous for me to hire the guy down the street to do my plumbing while I continue to do engineering. He can only get $80 doing engineering and $50 and hour doing plumbing.

I have a $35 dollar an hour advantage doing engineering over plumbing, while he gets to do plumbing for $50 an hour.

Since people are paid by their output, my output of engineering and plumbing is higher than his, so I get paid more per hour for my services. The total value of output in the world for us is $150 with this arrangement, but only $145 per hour if we reversed our roles.

Now an importatnt point: notice how efficiency plays a key part. If he was at $90 per hour for engineering and still could only get $50/hr as a plumber, the reversing of the roles would produce more for the world.
51 posted on 03/20/2004 8:38:05 AM PST by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: Luis Gonzalez; All
I find this whole discussion SO NINETEENTH CENTURY!!!
54 posted on 03/20/2004 8:45:36 AM PST by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
good article. thanks for the post. bump for later.
70 posted on 03/20/2004 9:57:49 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Here's a silly question Luis.

If India's educated population is equal to our educated population in terms of a broad range of professional specialties and every specialty can do the work for 1/3 the rate, where is OUR comparative advantage?
101 posted on 03/20/2004 11:42:58 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If the Portugese start dying their cloth with wine, England will run a trade deficit. That is, until they export large numbers of bollweavels and glassy-winged sharpshooters in their handmade sweaters headed for Portugal. Comparatively speaking, of course.
115 posted on 03/20/2004 1:57:21 PM PST by budwiesest (Hey, this kool-aide tastes lousey, can we get another batch over here?)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I find your interchange with "willie Green" very interesting
but the heart of the issue is: Free trade does not exist.
Our competitor nations all impose tariffs, VAT's, levies,
duties, etc. upon our products. Whether this was caused by poor trade negotiators or something else, I don't know.
119 posted on 03/20/2004 2:20:58 PM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTTT
123 posted on 03/20/2004 7:11:23 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ay, querido Luis... you are casting pearls before swine, I fear.

Some of those who fear free trade feel (and I use that word deliberately) that it deprives a nation of sovereignity, and that argument taken reductio ad absurdum is precisely the mentality of some survivalists, only use what you can produce on your own farm. These anti-free-marketeers don't believe in individual liberty; they want the State to regulate their transactions and thus their lives. They're not conservatives, they're not classical liberals, they are Statists, pure and simple. Statists with imperial ambitions willing to impose their own moral code (which they believe actually IS conservatism)--now some of us know this description fits another name...

169 posted on 03/21/2004 5:03:22 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Am I the only one who lacks an economic theory lobe in his brain? This stuff is killer.
205 posted on 03/22/2004 2:22:28 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ahh, yes, David Ricardo, the 1823 economist....and his antique ideas.

But all this STILL doesn't answer the question I keep asking - and you continue to ignore.

One more time - if free traitin' is so good, why are China and India doing so well with trade barriers? China is the sixth biggest economy in the world, you know. Why? Can you tell me?

And why is it that the US, through most of its history, had high tariffs and did really well? I posted the data. I even provided a chart. You never responded. That speaks volumes.

Free traitin' - a bad idea, going into well deserved oblivion!

216 posted on 03/22/2004 4:03:33 PM PST by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ah, the dismal science. I do love it so.


Petronski, B.A. (Economics); J.D.
256 posted on 03/23/2004 8:21:13 AM PST by Petronski (Kerry knew...and did nothing. THAT....is weakness.)
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