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NH: Seized by the Manchester Police for Open Carry (vanity)
self | March 29, 2004 | Michael Pelletier

Posted on 03/29/2004 7:22:52 PM PST by mvpel

Michael V. Pelletier, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, (xxx)xxx-xxxx

Capt. xxxxxxxx, Public Integrity & Professional Standards, Manchester Police Department

March 29, 2004

Dear Captain xxxxxxxx,

I am writing to you in your capacity as head of Public Integrity and Professional Standards to lodge a complaint against your department and certain of your officers stemming from an incident that took place on Saturday, March 27 at about 9:00pm.

Background

My wife and I had just finished our 11th anniversary dinner at Kobe Japanese Steakhouse on Second Street, and had stopped in to the Barnes & Noble bookstore on South Willow Street for a cup of latte and a few books and DVDs. I was dressed neatly in slacks and a purple oxford shirt, and was clean-shaven.

Due to the pleasant evening air, I left my coat in the car. Since I had neglected to tuck my shirt over it, my holstered Glock 30 sidearm was thus visible in the small of my back in a Workman IWB holster.

For about 10-15 minutes, I chatted with my wife about choosing a sweater from a selection of knitting books she was reviewing, browsed the history and political sections near the restroom, and then made my way over to the Science Fiction aisle.

I was idly leafing through an interesting book, minding my own business, when suddenly I found myself seized by the right shoulder and my holster, pushed towards the corner of the bookcase, by either Officer xxxxxxx or Officer xxxxxxx, I’m not absolutely certain which of them.

I exclaimed, raised my hands up to prevent myself from going face first into the bookshelf. I dropped the book, and upon glancing over my right shoulder, saw another uniformed officer at my right flank. The officer holding me requested that I relax and place my hands on my head. I immediately complied.

I was then disarmed, the holster being unsnapped and removed from my waistband. I informed the detective to whom the firearm was handed that it had a round in the chamber upon his inquiry. I believe the individual who unloaded it was one of the detectives, either xxxxxxx or xxxxxxx.

I was then asked to go outside the store with them, and I agreed. I was released and walked to the doorway, handing over my driver’s license and New Hampshire pistol license on the way out.

Once my record came back clear, naturally, I was subjected to a condescending lecture about the carrying of arms, quizzed repeatedly as to why I carry a firearm.

I replied “to protect myself and my family,”[1] which yielded a number of derisive comments about the effectiveness of firearms in self-defense and defense of others – hmm, why do cops carry them, I wonder? “We have to,” one of the detectives whined. They also lectured on liability issues, terrorism, and other such topics.

I informed them that I am trained, having completed the Lethal Force Institute’s Judicious Use of Deadly Force course, as well as handgun licensing requirements in California and for a Utah Concealed Carry license.

Given the crowd of talkative uniformed officers and detectives around me, and having been somewhat rattled by the ambush, I had difficulty finishing a sentence, and in hindsight I should probably have told them it was none of their damn business why I carry a firearm or whether I was trained.

After about 5-10 minutes of my polite endurance of various disrespectful and arrogant statements and questions by the officers and detectives, my firearm was returned to me, and I reloaded it and placed it back on my belt, this time tucked under my shirt. Upon completing a contact card with one of the officers, at his vehicle, I retrieved my coat, and returned to the store to find my wife.

We purchased about $200 worth of books and DVDs, and then went home.

Points of Complaint

Simple Assault – RSA 631:2-a-I(a)

At no time until, during, or after the officer laid his hands on me, was there any legal cause for his touching or restraining me.

The irrational alarm induced by the sight of my holstered handgun among those who called 911 aside, I was conducting myself in a calm and reasonable manner, merely browsing the books and minding my own business, occasionally chatting with my wife, not posing any threat or menace to anyone else in the store.

RSA 631:4, Criminal Threatening, does not apply as I was not engaging in any manner of physical conduct that purposely placed or attempted to place another in fear of imminent bodily injury or physical contact.

RSA 644:2, Disorderly Conduct, does not apply as I was not engaging in “violent, tumultuous, or threatening behavior,” either knowingly or purposefully. The open carrying of a firearm is not inherently threatening behavior, even when it makes someone from Massachusetts pee their pants and hyperventilate.

Unlike Illinois,[2] New York, or Washington, DC, where an openly carried firearm is prima facie evidence of a violation of the law, there is no New Hampshire statutory provision against open carry. In fact, it is a right guaranteed explicitly in the Constitution of the State.

Your officers should have enough experience and common sense to evaluate the totality of the circumstances – my attire, my demeanor, the fact that most armed criminals don’t carry openly, etc. – and take action on that basis, rather than on the basis of a paranoid fear of armed citizens which they evidently share with those who called upon them.

Public Duty – RSA 627:2

Given the fact that there was no violation of the law taking place or reasonably suspected when I was seized, the officer’s use of physical force was not authorized by law, and thus does not fall under the exemptions offered to public servants by this section of New Hampshire law.

The irrational concern expressed by others at the mere sight of a well-dressed individual openly carrying a firearm “near the children’s section” has no legal standing, and does not afford any credible justification. Another’s belief in “evil gun radiation” has no bearing on law or reality.

Physical Force in Law Enforcement – RSA 627:5

This statute provides that “[a] law enforcement officer is justified in using non-deadly force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to effect an arrest or detention or to prevent the escape from custody of an arrested or detained person, unless he knows that the arrest or detention is illegal…”

Again, the officer should have known, and can reasonably be expected by a court and a jury to know, that there was no legal justification for seizing and detaining me under the laws of New Hampshire, and his detention of me was therefore illegal and unjustified.

Fourth Amendment

My Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable seizure was violated, as there was no reasonable basis to believe, given the totality of circumstances and New Hampshire law, that a violation of the law was underway or planned before I was grabbed by the officer.

Defamation of Character

The seizure of my person under false and illegal pretenses, being ordered to place my hands on my head, and my being escorted from the store by a crowd of police officers had a clear and unmistakable tendency to expose me to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule[3] by all the patrons of the store who witnessed the incident, and by anyone who might read about the incident in the newspaper were it to be reported in the media’s usual breathless and inflammatory style.

Conclusion

I understand that your officers often face difficult, dangerous, and demanding situations, and that they must conduct themselves in such a way as to minimize the risk they face while carrying out their duties.

However, this necessity to minimize risk does not override the fundamental right guaranteed to all citizens of this State and Nation to be free from arbitrary exercise of the police power while lawfully going about their business.

If they had approached me, I would have greeted them politely. If they had requested that I tuck my shirt over my firearm due to the irrational concern expressed by other patrons of the store, I would have politely complied.

Even if they felt the need to have one officer sneak up behind me, ready to tackle me, while another officer engaged me in conversation, that would have been fine too.

But to have their first interaction with me be an ambush, to find myself grabbed and restrained for no justifiable reason while peaceably going about my business, is far beyond the pale. And to then be subjected to a condescending interrogation about my choice to exercise my fundamental human right to carry a firearm for the defense of myself and my family was even more irritating, in light of the fact that I’ve undergone about half a dozen federal background checks and fingerprinting in the process of obtaining my CCW cards.

Whether or not your officers and detectives realize it, and whether or not you even like it, the armed citizen in New Hampshire is your ally and friend in the endless struggle against dangerous criminals. We are part of the reason that the violent crime rate in New Hampshire (175.4 per thousand[4]) and Vermont (113.5 per thousand) is a fraction of that of Massachusetts (476.1 per thousand), a state where women living in a town with an at-large serial rapist must go begging to the police for pepper spray. Thomas Paine expressed this principle eloquently, saying:

“...arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them; ...the weak will become a prey to the strong.”[5]

There are far too many instances – as I’m sure you are well aware – where the weak, deprived by law of effective tools for self-defense, have fallen prey to the strong, such as the Manchester high school girls who were brutally raped in recent weeks.

Just have a look at page A8 of the March 29 Union Leader, and every month, for crimes prevented or ameliorated by armed citizens.

Reflecting on the incident the following morning, I realized that I had forgotten Massad Ayoob’s point that sheep can’t tell the difference between the sheep-dog and the wolves, even though the sheep-dog would risk his life to save the sheep from hungry wolves.

I realize that some of the patrons of Barnes & Noble thought of me as a wolf, rather than a sheep-dog, and reacted accordingly by calling in the authorities. Needless to say, I will be careful to carry my firearm more discreetly in the future to avoid spooking the sheep.

However, I expect better discernment from fellow sheep-dogs.

I have not yet decided whether or not to file a lawsuit on the basis of the aforementioned violation of my rights and New Hampshire law. If I do, I will copy you on the service as a courtesy.

Thank you for your attention to this matter, Captain xxxxxxx. If you wish to discuss this matter further in a meeting, please feel free to contact me at the phone number indicated on the first page, or via e-mail at mvpel@yahoo.com, and we can arrange something.

Sincerely, Michael Pelletier.

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[1] New Hampshire Constitution, Article 2-a

[2] 720 ICLS 5(a)(10), unlawful use of weapons.

[3] RSA 644:11, Criminal Defamation

[4] Federal Crime Statistics, 2000 - http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.htm

[5] Thoughts On Defensive War, (1775) in 1 Writings of Thomas Paine, at 56, M. Conway ed


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; carry; ccw; gunrights; secondamendment
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To: Beelzebubba; ConservativeLawyer; lawdog; WL-law; Abundy; Henrietta; Bedford Forrest
Legal ping.
61 posted on 04/02/2004 7:43:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: mvpel
Here's to hoping you make it a sucessful case. I'm really tired of having to be "ashamed" to exercise my Rights.
62 posted on 04/02/2004 7:44:10 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: mvpel
Hey, I agree with you about open carry. Tennessee issues licenses for carrying of a gun, whether openly or concealed is your choice.

Simply possessing it openly is not evidence that you have committed a crime or have any intention of committing one. However, the vast majority of people have been conditioned to panic like sheep at the mere sight of a gun in the possession of anyone other than a police officer and LEO's in most states are used to being the only ones allowed to carry.

You are not apt to get any sympathy from a judge in this case. Strike one up to experience and make sure that your gun is concealed from now on.
63 posted on 04/02/2004 7:46:53 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: mvpel; Chuckster
Evidently it wasn't the management who got particularly alarmed by my sidearm, but rather store patrons with cellphones, according to the officers. Probably some of the 75,000 Massachusetts transplants.

There are more than 5000 members of the Free State Project, with 15,000 more coming, hoping to help those in NH do something about those 75K Massachusetts carpetbaggers, which presumably will convince many of them to flee for their preferred liberal pastures. Say but the word, and I'll happily bring the attention of those who also happen to be FReepers to this thread. I presume you're aware that if there's been even one other such example of such conduct by that NH police department, that they such conduct may be a part of a continuing pattern of criminal activity on their part, Criminal Racketeering under federal as well as possible state laws against civil rights violations. Accordingly, their felony criminal conduct becomes not simply a matter of a possible civil lawsuit by you, but grounds for a possible federal criminal investigation of those officers of that department for other criminal acts as well. I certainly you'll take your responsibility to deal with such criminals hiding behind badges, who've perjured their oths to support the constitution of the US and serve the people of New Hampshire, rather than their own condescending and self-serving attitudes of a society run according tyo how they would like it to be.

If they were carrying weapons at the time of their attack on you, please note that federal law provides for prison terms of ten years imprisonment for those so convicted; and other federal statutes [Section 241 et seq.] may also apply. Also please note that under federal sentencing guidelines regarding the carry of a weapon during a felony federal crime, those officers face that 10 year sentence as a mandatory requirement; and that there is no parole arrangement under the federal system; as in the sentencing of those LAPD officers convicted, sentenced and jailed in the Rodney King beating and civil rights violation case.

Title 18, United States Code, U.S. Criminal Code;
Section 242: - Deprivation of rights under color of law


Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

64 posted on 04/02/2004 7:54:33 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: mvpel; spunkets
Michael, it bothered me too that you were not paying attention to retain your firearm. I'd consider this a CHEAP lesson on weapon retention.(though I am mighty irritated by the behavior of the(good?)citizen that called in his/her problem, and the subsequent behavior of the police)

I realize you were using the IWB holster in the small of your back for concealed carry, but exposed carry in the small of your back is only good for leaning with your back against the wall.
65 posted on 04/02/2004 7:57:20 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Are these leftists stupid or evil or both? ><BCC>)
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To: kaboom
Why is your sidearm opern-carried in the small of your back?

Agree. When I carry, I carry in a front pack. You are just inviting someone to grab the gun. Imagine carrying your wallet like that.

66 posted on 04/02/2004 8:08:01 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: mvpel
this necessity to minimize risk does not override the fundamental right guaranteed to all citizens of this State and Nation to be free from arbitrary exercise of the police power while lawfully going about their business.

Unfortunately the sheeple woulr rather have the safety of bondage. Baaaaaad! Baaaaad gun! Baaaaaad!

67 posted on 04/02/2004 8:18:43 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: archy
That law depends on racial motive for application.

"... on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race,...

The R. King event was not racially motivated. The nightstick response was motivated by King's vicious wacked out behavior. The defense failed to counter the rat prosecutor's BS. Race didn't matter. They'd have pounded anyone that led them on a 100 MPH chase and refused to stop fighting. Note the others in the car put their hands up and were never touched. The only one touched was the fat boy that kept swinging away.

68 posted on 04/02/2004 8:52:19 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Joe Brower
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69 posted on 04/02/2004 9:14:39 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Donate to FR Monthly and YOU Can Own This NEW, IMPROVED Tag Line Too! (Presented by Tag Lines R US))
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To: CindyDawg
"... it really irritates me that LE walk around with an attitude, carrying their jackets while wearing their weapons in sight."

Me, too. The swagger is just galling, isn't it? Personally, I think that cops should be required to check their duty weapons when they leave the station and apply for a permit to carry off-duty, just like everybody else.
70 posted on 04/02/2004 9:33:16 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: Mulder
"Cops exist to "protect and serve", not "intimidate and dominate"."

Oh, if only most cops felt that way. Unfortunately, most of them have become the standing army that our forefathers feared.
71 posted on 04/02/2004 9:35:33 AM PST by Henrietta
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To: spunkets
That law depends on racial motive for application. "... on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race,...

Not so. Back your quotation up to be a little more inclusive, and you'll find it reads as follows:

"...or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color..." The R. King event was not racially motivated. The nightstick response was motivated by King's vicious wacked out behavior. The defense failed to counter the rat prosecutor's BS. Race didn't matter. They'd have pounded anyone that led them on a 100 MPH chase and refused to stop fighting. Note the others in the car put their hands up and were never touched. The only one touched was the fat boy that kept swinging away.

That must have been a great comfort to former police officer Stacy Koon, now a convicted felon. as he sat in his jail cell and told himself what a swell fella he was. But those cops will never again work in law enforcement, and you wouldn't either if you ever refer to the plaintiff in such a case as the *fat boy who kept swinging away* when other officers on the scene swear otherwise. In which case, enjoy the recreational periods with your new cellmate, as Koon and Laurence Powell did for two years-plus.

72 posted on 04/02/2004 9:38:03 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: mvpel
Great letter, glad you came through with no charges, injuries or problems.

Use this "teachable moment" to educate some of the sheeple as well as your local flatfoots. If you have time, fire off a much shorter version of the letter to your local media. They probably won't publish, but if they do you may swing a few fence sitters.

Sad to say, but hinting at assault charges and a lawsuit will probably go farther in making sure no one else has your experience than telling the Chief about the wolf/sheep/sheep dog. I'm guessing he doesn't want you in the sheep dog category and would prefer we were sheep.

73 posted on 04/02/2004 9:40:24 AM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Joe Brower
Be Ever Vigilant!

FMCDH!
74 posted on 04/02/2004 9:50:35 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: archy
Re:*fat boy who kept swinging away* That's King, not Koon.

The law requires racial, or alian motive, else it does not apply. Punishments, pains and penalties are not motives, they are imposed, because of motive.

" That must have been a great comfort to former police officer Stacy Koon"

The prosecutor did what he did with the judge's help and the jury believed him. It was up to Koon's and Powell's attys to counter the BS. Juries aren't required to believe in reality and neither are judges. The atty's just give it their best efforts.

75 posted on 04/02/2004 10:09:35 AM PST by spunkets
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To: mvpel
I'm over in Londonderry and from my experience with the LPD I'm not gonna be carrying openly any time soon. I'm scared that I'll go down in a hail of gunfire if they see me carrying. It seems like everywhere you would go there would be citizens reporting you.
76 posted on 04/02/2004 10:19:15 AM PST by Chip_Douglas
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To: mvpel
Your officers should have enough experience and common sense to evaluate the totality of the circumstances – my attire, my demeanor, the fact that most armed criminals don’t carry openly, etc. – and take action on that basis, rather than on the basis of a paranoid fear of armed citizens which they evidently share with those who called upon them.

Great letter. I think you might have meant 'alarmed' in the above. Keep us posted.

77 posted on 04/02/2004 10:50:18 AM PST by in the Arena ("rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” ~ Orwell)
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To: mvpel
The open carrying of a firearm is not inherently threatening behavior, even when it makes someone from Massachusetts pee their pants and hyperventilate.

This syndrome appears to be spreading.

78 posted on 04/02/2004 10:56:09 AM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: in the Arena; mvpel
My bad...I on #77...I read that incorrect and thought you were referencing the the people that called the police...
79 posted on 04/02/2004 11:14:17 AM PST by in the Arena ("rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” ~ Orwell)
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To: mvpel; Joe Brower; dansangel
Looks like you have the situation well in hand, your knowlegeable and eloquent letter would make the Founders proud. I hope things continue on the right path, if not you know where to call the cavalry.
80 posted on 04/02/2004 12:00:29 PM PST by Donaeus ( Change the world, not en mass, but by planting freedom in one heart/mind at a time.)
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