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Arab commander in Chechnya killed
Radio Netherlands ^ | April 18 2004

Posted on 04/18/2004 1:42:28 PM PDT by knighthawk

The commander of the Arab fighters in the Russian republic of Chechnya has been killed. The family of Saudi rebel leader Abdul Aziz al-Ghamdi, better known as Abu Walid, has confirmed his death. There has been no official confirmation, and the circumstances are also unclear.

Russian authorities held Mr al-Ghamdi responsible for the Moscow metro attack in February in which forty people were killed. In the 1980s, he fought the Russians in Afghanistan and he has been in Chechnya for the last six years.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdulazizalghamdi; abuwalid; arab; arabsareworthless; caucasus; chechnya; commander; saudi; waleed; walid

1 posted on 04/18/2004 1:42:29 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...
Ping
2 posted on 04/18/2004 1:42:53 PM PDT by knighthawk (Some people say that we'll get nowhere at all, let 'em tear down the world but we ain't gonna fall)
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To: All
And there is deep morning in Europe as another "righteous freedom fighter" is murdered. /sarcasm
3 posted on 04/18/2004 1:43:47 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: knighthawk
Gee, that's a shame...........NOT
4 posted on 04/18/2004 1:49:15 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( President Bush 3-20-04))
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To: knighthawk
Another Mujahadeen gone to his virgins. May none of them have to wait much longer!
5 posted on 04/18/2004 1:52:50 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: COEXERJ145
"And there is deep morning in Europe as another "righteous freedom fighter" is murdered. /sarcasm"
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think couple years ago USA strong supported Chechens.
6 posted on 04/18/2004 1:54:07 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: knighthawk
Are the Russians going to give this Mohammedan radical the "royal treatment"? Are they going to bury his corpse with swine offals?
7 posted on 04/18/2004 1:55:37 PM PDT by Bismarck
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To: All

When are we going to learn to conduct battle like the Russians?

When I was in Russia, I saw a news segment on the war in Chechnya. The Russians were ruthless, almost barbaric, but very, very EFFECTIVE.

And where is Koffi Anan wringing his hands about the "refugee crisis" in that region?
8 posted on 04/18/2004 1:55:46 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: knighthawk
May he burn in hell for a few eternities with Abdel Rantisi, Sheik Yassin and other Islamonazis
9 posted on 04/18/2004 1:56:05 PM PDT by dennisw (GD is against Amalek for all generations)
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To: Westbrook
"The Saudi website Islam Today said Ghamdi had "been hit (stabbed or shot) in the back" while preparing for prayers on Friday. "
10 posted on 04/18/2004 2:01:27 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: knighthawk; Angelus Errare; Cap Huff; Coop; swarthyguy; Boot Hill
This is a big get..
11 posted on 04/18/2004 2:02:37 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Westbrook
but very, very EFFECTIVE

Not so in 1994/1995 - Grozny was strewn with corpses of Russian soldiers and burned vechiles. The effective thing is what the IDF does. Puff and no problem - only crispy terrorists!

12 posted on 04/18/2004 2:04:16 PM PDT by eclectic
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To: eclectic
Yes in 94/95 in attack on Grozny Russians lost 100 tanks and other armored vechicles.
13 posted on 04/18/2004 2:11:38 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: eclectic

Yes, Yeltsin was ineffective.

Putin promised to show more backbone in the conflict.

I was in Russia in Jan 2002 and again in March 2002.

What I saw was a scorched-earth war plan.

While the rest of the world was crying about the American surgical bombing campaign in Afghanistan, the Russians were utterly destroying Chechnya with indiscriminate arial bombing raids and artillery shelling.

In one attack I saw in one of their news segments, when the fires in the city went out, they sent the large earth moving equipment to bury everything. I saw no attempt to look for wounded or to count the dead.

Not one peep from the Euro-peons condemning the Russian campaign in Chechnya.
14 posted on 04/18/2004 2:13:34 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: knighthawk
It's a bad time to be the leader of a terrorist organization.
15 posted on 04/18/2004 2:30:38 PM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: knighthawk
>>Abdul Aziz al-Ghamdi, better known as Abu Walid

All of these bozos have multiple names. No wonder they're difficult to track when they come here.
16 posted on 04/18/2004 2:32:31 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Dog
Give it 24 hours or so until get official Russian confirmation or see a corpse - Chechen warlords have a bad habit of having extra lives and Abu Walid may not be an exception. His predecessor, Khattab, was dead at least 3 times until he stayed that way for good.

In addition, it behooves me to note that this SOB is kin to 3 of the 9/11 hijackers.
17 posted on 04/18/2004 2:37:14 PM PDT by Angelus Errare
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To: knighthawk
The Al-Ghamdis are among the richest families in Saudi Arabia. They are part of the oligarchy that runs the place.
18 posted on 04/18/2004 3:08:07 PM PDT by marron
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To: Grzegorz 246; knighthawk
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think couple years ago USA strong supported Chechens.

Indirectly, there is some truth. Prior to the fall of the Soviet Union there was a conscious policy to woo muslims, we managed to pull Egypt out of the Soviet camp, for example, and we worked hard to try and draw Syria and Iraq away from them though not very successfully.

And we had a dream of using muslims to dismantle the Soviet Union, the idea was that if we could ever provoke a muslim insurrection the USSR would come apart at the seams. It all made perfect sense when we were at war with them.

This led to a big error, when we allowed the Shah of Iran to be replaced by the Ayatollah, believing that the Islamists would be more ruthlessly anti-communist. And it had one big success when we, with the Saudis and the Pakistanis, put together the Afghan insurgency that led to the Soviet defeat there.

With the implosion of the Soviet Union, it became possible to implement the policy when it no longer made any strategic sense. The Turks had their dream of uniting the Turkic countries of Central Asia, and the Saudis had their dream of building their Wahab empire, and since we were allies with both of them, we didn't oppose either of them.

Consequently, under Clinton, we steadfastly refused to say anything against the Chechens during their first revolt. Popular opinion began to shift after they won defacto independence and rather than build a real country, allowed their territory to be used for further war against the surrounding territories. But while Clinton was still in office, our official policy didn't change.

When Bush took office, his first foreign policy step was to embrace Putin, and that signaled the beginning of our pullback from support for the Chechens. 9/11 sealed it, and after 9/11 we declared war on every one of the Saudi insurrections across Asia and gave complete approval to Putin to do whatever he had to do in Chechnya. The only Saudi insurrection we did not attack was their outpost in the Balkans. We have sought to offload that to the Europeans, though.

It should be clear, though, that our "support" for the Chechens was rhetorical. They were a Turkish and Saudi operation, mostly Saudi after a time. And our patience for Saudi foolishness began to end with GW Bush's administration, and ended completely with 9/11 and their reluctance to help us either in Afghanistan or Iraq either one.

19 posted on 04/18/2004 4:02:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: FreedomPoster
Maybe 'Abu Walid' was Ghamdi's FReep-name.
20 posted on 04/18/2004 4:07:03 PM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: Angelus Errare
Maybe they should release one of those nasty "Russian colds" that used to take out the Russian Premiers between Breznhev and Gorbachev into the Chechnyen water suppy.
21 posted on 04/18/2004 4:17:47 PM PDT by olde north church (Michael Moore is living proof God poops.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think couple years ago USA strong supported Chechens

Yes, the Clinton adminstration did. But not Bush!
22 posted on 04/18/2004 5:47:38 PM PDT by zinochka (God bless President George Bush and Vladimir Putin!)
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To: knighthawk
My,my the good news just keeps coming!
23 posted on 04/18/2004 5:49:05 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: marron
Thank you for taking the time to post this very exellent history. You are right and so is President Bush for recongizing the Chechen wahabbis for Terrorists with Capital T!
24 posted on 04/18/2004 5:52:40 PM PDT by zinochka (God bless President George Bush and Vladimir Putin!)
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To: knighthawk
Good going Russia! Congratulations!
25 posted on 04/18/2004 5:52:53 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: Westbrook
The Russians like the Israelis do'nt hold anything back especially because the Terrorists use civilians as human shields. Chechen wahabbis and Palastinian Jamas and PLO are notorious for using civilians for human shields. If a civilian is killed they just say they are a martyr for Jihad! Chechen rebel websites are famous for blaming Russians for killing women and children, but they have no problem training their same Chechen women and children to be suicide bombers! By the way, in Dessert Storm we bulldozered many Iraquis into the sand, even through they were waving white flags. True many of those Iraquis were unwilling conscropts who were probably kidnapped off Iraq streets and forced to fight. But you ca'nt tell whose who in the war!
26 posted on 04/18/2004 6:05:30 PM PDT by zinochka (God bless President George Bush and Vladimir Putin!)
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To: McGavin999
I'm just wondering what happens when they run out of virgins ...do they send they to 72 whores?

Just a thought

27 posted on 04/18/2004 6:10:57 PM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: McGavin999
I'm just wondering what happens when they run out of virgins ...do they send them to 72 whores?

Just a thought

Sorry, owed everyone a W

28 posted on 04/18/2004 6:14:15 PM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: fedupjohn
I'm just wondering what happens when they run out of virgins ...do they send them to 72 whores? Just a thought

Sorry, owed everyone a M

Too much adult beverage..

29 posted on 04/18/2004 6:17:24 PM PDT by fedupjohn
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To: Angelus Errare
It's been confirmed on the chechen sites. This guy was the replacement for Khattab so it looks like we need to play catch-up with both the IDF and Russians. A toast to them both for their recent good work.

It will be interesting to see what comes out as the cause of death - currently the chechen sites are all being very close-mouthed about what happened. I am wondering if this was a replay of how they took out Khattab.

30 posted on 04/18/2004 6:28:05 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: marron
Prior to the fall of the Soviet Union there was a conscious policy to woo muslims

Including Bosnians.

31 posted on 04/18/2004 6:29:41 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: marron
There were also quite a few articles being written against the Russians for what they did to Grozny in the mid-late 90's. I recall writing quite a few long emails to WND, for instance, rebutting their posts which were so pro-chechen.

Russia's response to the ongoing criticism was to put together and take on a dogandpony show a compilation of videos the chechens had made of themselves, torturing and mutilating children and other hostages.

I recall reading the responses in several countries to these showings. I believe it was in Helsinki, where a virtual nest of pro-chechen supporters and activists thrives, that a woman passed out and several left the room to vomit, after seeing only part of the video.

It was a most effective vehicle for showing the true nature of the chechens, who raise children to endure in a brutal warrior-adoring culture at best. In most of the videos I have seen, the chechens gleefully hold up body parts still dripping with blood from their victim and the smiles are just not faked.

32 posted on 04/18/2004 6:36:14 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: knighthawk
Pity.
33 posted on 04/18/2004 6:41:41 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: knighthawk; Dog; MarMema

DEAD!

Ameer Abul Walid (Abdul Aziz Al-Ghamdi), the commander of Arab fighters in Chechnya, has been killed, a family member confirmed Sunday, April 18.

A brother of Ghamdi, aka Abul Walid, said the family had received news of his martyrdom Sunday morning, but did not say how the 34-year-old commander had died, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). The Saudi website Islam Today said Ghamdi had "been hit in the back" while preparing for prayers on Friday, April 16, adding the incidents took place in one of the camps of the mujahedeen fighting the Russian occupation forces in Chechnya. ____________________________________________________

Wishful thinking, but I hope that "the base" is crumbling from within...

34 posted on 04/18/2004 8:42:45 PM PDT by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Not so in 1994/1995 - Grozny was strewn with corpses of Russian soldiers and burned vechiles ===

Chechens lost 10 times. Accually it was town fight block for block. If you ask military professionals they tell you that it is most difficult type of battle.
35 posted on 04/18/2004 9:02:16 PM PDT by RusIvan
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