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I missed your follow-up posts to formerlib and his last responses. You explained your position far better than I could and appear to have corrected whatever misunderstanding there was. Sorry for butting in.

BTW, welcome back! :-)

=== Sorry for butting in.

Perish the thought! I respectfully request you ALWAYS butt in. Seriously. Between strafing as a rule and being "askelian" somewhat, I'm not often understood and could use the help ... particularly when it comes packing the substance and form of your last.

FormerLib -- I do remain hopeful as I think you may be. It's just that I'm pretty lazy too and am well aware of how effective is the peer pressure by which those who have their own sins are unable or unwilling to change themselves before ever thinking to change others.

That's the really sad part about this for me. I've actually had folks condemn homosexuals (not their place to do, btw, only homosexuality is to be condemned) even as they assert that their practice of birth control -- by which they purposefully exclude absolutely the Creator from the process -- is somehow acceptable to God.

I don't know. I suspect it will take more suffering than this to actually bring folks back to Reality.