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To: Dane
So, because this is a political world, then anything goes including the defense of the indefensible? The conjuring up of conspiracy theories that Democratic plants are all behind this? The conjuring up of conspiracy theories that this all came from Hillary's star chamber?

I'll say again, in the world of 2004, once photographs of these incidents were made ... and I'll grant people this, IMHO this wasn't torture but was still way over the line and those involved should be tried and punished as they almost certainly will be ... they were destined to get out. It doesn't matter if they were, quote, "classified," unquote, it doesn't matter if they came from the DOD, from disgruntled reservists, from Congressional committees, from the families of people over there or what. They were going to get out. There was no way that anyone or anything in this or any known solar system was going to prevent it from happening.

IMHO, that is the best thing, I think this situation has already maxed out on heat and if, as I said last night, the White House gathers all this stuff and dumps reams and stacks and piles of it on the media, shovels it on until they cry "no more," we're going to reach the point of diminishing returns.

But it seems like everyone can't understand that because they're so mad about such a big deal being made over this, they're so mad about the fact that it "got out," they're so filled with hatred for the media/libs/Dems/Hackworth that it blinds them to what IMHO the best strategy truly is for ensuring that this causes minimum damage on 11/2.

Again, screw the Dems, screw the libs and screw the media (I choked a little on that, because I work in the media). They're going to do what they do and nothing is going to change it and nothing can change it. If this is such a political world, then every step taken by Bush and the White House on this should be taken in the context of going over the heads of those jabbering nabobs directly to the 20 percent of the American electorate that isn't polarized ... IMHO, 40 percent will vote for Bush and 40 percent will vote for Kerry and that will not change, even if one of them is caught ritually sacrificing a virgin in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue ... and will decide the election on 11/2. And the best way, IMHO, to do that is to dump it all out, hold nothing back, be apologetic, whether anyone thinks it's kowtowing to the media/Dems/libs or not.

One more thing, if this did come from the DOD or Congress, you can't automatically assume that it came from Dems or Libs. I've been preaching this here for six years until my fingers are nubs, but one more time ... people who work in the bureaucracy of Washington, D.C., and who may call themselves "conservatives" or "Republicans" aren't inherently in line with the beliefs of we Freepers and they most certainly don't inherently and automatically have personal loyalty to George W. Bush.

293 posted on 05/10/2004 7:16:41 AM PDT by GB
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To: GB
Well stated. I couldn't agree more.

Eventually those who try to use this to their political advantage will get burned, because the American public will not stand for blatant attempts to politicize such a disgusting series of events. Better that conservatives aren't the ones viewed as making such attempts, but rather those taking accountability and cleaning up the mess.

300 posted on 05/10/2004 7:32:49 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: GB
So, because this is a political world, then anything goes including the defense of the indefensible?

Where have I defended the indefensible.

All I did was point out the fact that this has been investigated since January and also the facts that hackworth was behind the release of the photos when he went to CBS who statrted the smear campaign against all troops by the actions of a very few.

Look you can put your head in the sand that this isn't a concerted political effort by the liberal media and the demos to smear the President and the military.

Just don't get mad when someone points it out to you.

301 posted on 05/10/2004 7:48:57 AM PDT by Dane
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To: GB
Again, screw the Dems, screw the libs and screw the media (I choked a little on that, because I work in the media). They're going to do what they do and nothing is going to change it and nothing can change it.

Again don't get mad if I criticize your employer(the media)over their tactics in trying to smear the military and the President.

Freedon of speech is a two way steet not the one way expressway the media thinks they own.

302 posted on 05/10/2004 7:51:53 AM PDT by Dane
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