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Victor Davis Hanson: Kill the Insurgents – Stop Talking
The New Republic via VDH ^ | June 2, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/02/2004 8:09:54 AM PDT by quidnunc

Most of the time in war, diplomatic machinations don't create enduring realities — events on the battlefield do. After World War I, the defeated, but not humiliated, German army that surrendered in France and Belgium provided the origins for the "stab in the back" mythology that fueled Hitler's rise to power. After World War II, by contrast, the shattered and shamed Wehrmacht in Berlin was unable to energize a Fourth Reich. George S. Patton, snarling to head for Berlin and beyond in 1945, grasped the importance of "the unforgiving minute," when military audacity can establish a fait accompli on the ground that diplomats quibble over for decades. His unfulfilled wish to take Prague meant a blank check for a late-arriving Red Army that would help ensure a half-century of totalitarianism in Eastern Europe. 

The labyrinth of failed plans and bad-faith deals in the Balkans led nowhere until the U.S. Air Force secured in 79 days in 1999 the capitulation of Slobodan Milosevic — the chief foreign policy achievement of the Clinton administration. Suicide bombing failed to bring Yasir Arafat what he could not obtain at Camp David only because of the skill and ingenuity of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), which — through a multifaceted strategy of border fortification, proactive attacks, targeted air assassinations, and increased intelligence and vigilance — drastically curtailed the efficacy of the tactic. Arafat today is a marginalized figure not because of a belated European perception that he is corrupt and murderous, but because he was first reduced to a humiliated lord of a rubble pile — thanks to the IDF.

In our current postmodern world, we tend to deprecate the efficacy of arms, trusting instead that wise and reasonable people can adjudicate the situation on the ground according to Enlightenment principles of diplomacy and reason. But thugs like Moqtada Al Sadr's Mahdi Army and Saddam Hussein's remnant killers beg to differ. They may eventually submit to a fair and honest brokered peace — but only when the alternative is an Abrams tank or Cobra gunship, rather than a stern rebuke from L. Paul Bremer. More important, neutrals and well-meaning moderates in Iraq often put their ideological preferences on hold as they wait to see who will, in fact, win. The promise of consensual government, gender equality, and the rule of law may indeed save the Iraqi people and improve our own security — but only when those who wish none of it learn that trying to stop it will get them killed.

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(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: balkans; enemy; insurgents; iraq; israel; victordavishanson; war

1 posted on 06/02/2004 8:09:55 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: Tolik

FYI


2 posted on 06/02/2004 8:10:30 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Kill them! Kill those who send them! Kill those who celebrate what they commit!!!


3 posted on 06/02/2004 8:18:08 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: quidnunc

"Oh it's too late baby, yes it's too late ..."
Carol King


4 posted on 06/02/2004 8:19:34 AM PDT by doug9732
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To: quidnunc

Victor is right-on again!


5 posted on 06/02/2004 8:22:30 AM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: quidnunc

Well, let's just drop VDH into the middle of Fallujah or Ramadi so he can show the Marines how its done.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 8:26:09 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: xkaydet65

"Kill them! Kill those who send them! Kill those who celebrate what they commit!!!"

Yes!


7 posted on 06/02/2004 8:31:00 AM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: quidnunc

I would have liked to see us lead the Fallujah governing council/top mullahs or whoever, to a block that had been completly destroyed.

Then we would tell them, "We will make all of Fallijah look like this, block by block, until you get the terrorists out of your city."

Then for emphasis, before their eyes, completely flatten the next block over.


8 posted on 06/02/2004 8:41:48 AM PDT by Oatka
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To: quidnunc

IMHO what must be killed is the soulless ideology that spawns these brain dead zombies. Until then, the west is in deep doodoo.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 8:42:05 AM PDT by tkathy (nihilism: absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself)
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To: RAY

We should be helping the goons die for their cause.


10 posted on 06/02/2004 8:44:08 AM PDT by oyez (Fortune favors the bold.)
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To: quidnunc; seamole; Lando Lincoln; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...
  Victor Davis Hanson Ping!  
11 posted on 06/02/2004 9:00:27 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: quidnunc
Money quote:

If the humiliating withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975 helped create the landscape for the boat-people, reeducation camps, the Cambodian holocaust, the takeover of the Tehran Embassy, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Russian-sponsored insurrection in Central America, and a decade-long demoralization at home, so, in the same way, our momentum thus far has curtailed the Libyan weapons program, brought revelations of nuclear mischief from Dr. A.Q. Khan, and put Iran and Syria under scrutiny--a volcanic, not a static, situation that can as easily deteriorate as improve.

Both our enemies and friends are watching. And both our will and our abilities are being measured. Future actions to oppose us or support us will depend to a large degree on our perseverance and effectiveness in the current fight.

12 posted on 06/02/2004 9:46:54 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Tolik

Did you catch VDH on Hugh Hewitt's Memorial Day show? Three hours of VDH covering (briefly) the history of warfare. Wow.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 10:40:32 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (President Bush has a September 12 mindset. John Kerry only has a November 2 obsession.)
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To: Tolik; quidnunc
The misplaced restraint of the past year is not true morality, but a sort of weird immorality that seeks to avoid ethical censure in the short term--the ever-present, 24-hour pulpit of global television that inflates a half-dozen inadvertent civilian casualties into Dresden and Hiroshima.

A perfect description of the root of most of our problems in Iraq -- the media fifth column.

Excellent article. Once the President wins reelection (Please, God!), I believe we will see a much tougher stance, more along the lines that VDH recounts.

14 posted on 06/02/2004 11:30:24 AM PDT by RottiBiz (Help end Freepathons -- become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: quidnunc

VDH Bump!


15 posted on 06/02/2004 2:32:33 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: quidnunc

Audacity is a force multiplier. Bears repeating.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 4:25:53 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: Barlowmaker
Well, let's just drop VDH into the middle of Fallujah or Ramadi so he can show the Marines how its done.

1. Annapolis dropped him in a classroom last year to show midshipmen how it's done. Somehow that indicates that the military doesn't think he's a second-guesser.

2. Did you read the article? Do you really think that less killing of insurgents in Iraq is a choice made by the USMC? His basic point is, "Let the Marines be Marines, they're doing a great job."

3. You wrote that because you're over serving in Iraq right now, right?

17 posted on 06/02/2004 4:33:15 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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To: xkaydet65

Exactly.


18 posted on 06/02/2004 4:37:13 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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