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Chirac leads resistance as Bush courts Nato allies
Guardian ^ | 06/28/04 | Ian Black

Posted on 06/27/2004 7:11:26 PM PDT by Pikamax

Chirac leads resistance as Bush courts Nato allies

Ian Black and Michael White in Istanbul Monday June 28, 2004 The Guardian

President George Bush was facing stiff French-led resistance last night to his efforts to persuade his Nato allies to agree to train Iraqi security forces. The French president, Jacques Chirac, is determined to thwart any deal that allows the US and Britain to claim that the alliance has a formal role in the disputed occupation.

Tony Blair flew into Istanbul last night intent on talking up the summit's chance of achieving even a modest success in respect of Iraq and in terms of a wider Nato role in "forgotten" Afghanistan, but was keen to say nothing that would further offend France.

Mr Bush, Mr Blair, Mr Chirac and the leaders of the other 26 Nato members gathered in the Turkish city for a summit overshadowed by the continuing violence in neighbouring Iraq, days before power is handed over to Iraqis on June 30.

The political tension has been compounded by severe security worries after a spate of bomb blasts in Turkey's second city and mass demonstrations against Mr Bush. Yesterday main roads from the airport were closed to all but VIP traffic and the city's conference zone was cordoned off.

After D-day, the G8 summit and the EU-US meeting in Ireland, Nato is Mr Bush's fourth meeting this month with European leaders.

As the summiteers gathered, the EU managed to stitch up a compromise on its embarrassing failure at the Brussels summit to find a new president of the European commission: Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, the Portuguese prime minister, welcomed by No 10 as a "nation states man, not an ultra-federalist".

But continuing prickliness between the Franco-German axis and the US-led "new Europeans" makes this a sharp test of how far "old Europe" is prepared to put aside its differences with Washington.

These stem mostly from the split over Iraq. But the meeting is also a test of the expanded alliance's broader credibility and cohesion, not least in fulfilling pledges to Afghanistan before it's elections.

Last night the heads of state and government were dining at the historic Dolmabahce palace. Today's opening session of the summit is "Iraq day", and Afghan problems will be dealt with tomorrow.

France has signalled that it will approve the training of Iraqi forces - plentiful in number but weak in organisation, says No 10 - but it opposes the presence of any Nato flag or insignia on the ground in Iraq.

Paris and Berlin also want whatever share of training they do to take place outside Iraq. British officials say the training matters more than the location.

But officials with Mr Blair played down expectations of what could be achieved at the two-day event. "If we get some training and some progress on Afghanistan, as well as an EU commission president, it will have been worth the travel," one aide confided.

Earlier this year the US hoped the Atlantic alliance would seek to mend its fences by taking charge of the multinational stabilisation force in Iraq, currently led by Poland, after June 30.

It also hoped that UN resolution 1546, passed this month, would facilitate the process by providing the international legitimacy lacking last year - and do so before Mr Bush's November re-election test.

Now it is likely to make do with the lowest common den ominator - an agreement to train Iraqi troops to tackle the insurgency, at the request of Ayad Allawi, the interim prime minister.

Mr Bush made it clear at the EU-US meeting that he believed Nato should deliver the goods.

"The bitter differences of the war are over," he insisted. "Nato has the capability and I believe the responsibility to help the Iraqi people defeat the terrorist threat facing their country."

But even on that there are disagreements. The German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, said he would not send military instructors to Iraq, preferring to extend an existing programme training Iraq police officers outside the country.

If that was not enough, Nato has failed to meet its promises to President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, who will meet Mr Blair in Istanbul tomorrow.

Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, Nato's secretary general, has tried hard to play Iraq down but has insisted that the member states must take their commitments in Afghanistan more seriously.

That means extending the protection given by the 34-state International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) beyond Kabul. But Nato members say they are overstretched, and the 6,500 Isaf soldiers are far outweighed by the 20,000 US soldiers still hunting Osama bin Laden.

They are also outnumbered by the estimated 30,000 Turks protecting the summit.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chirac; france; frogs; iraq; iraqisecurity; nato; nonallyfrance; training
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1 posted on 06/27/2004 7:11:27 PM PDT by Pikamax
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Its just like that double-faced Frog to stab us in the back four weeks after D-Day! Go figure...


2 posted on 06/27/2004 7:13:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

NATO is quickly losing any relevancy. Chirac seems to be getting very worried that the only country capable of protecting itself and the rest of the world is the USA.


3 posted on 06/27/2004 7:14:52 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan American)
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To: Pikamax

So the French betray the U.S.

Again.


4 posted on 06/27/2004 7:17:17 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

The only reason Chiraq is opposed to a NATO role in Iraq is cause France won't play a part in one. That's why he's trying to block any help extended to Iraq's fledgling government.


5 posted on 06/27/2004 7:17:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

This is a good thread for Belly Girl ...


6 posted on 06/27/2004 7:18:07 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: EternalHope

After I saw the SOB at the D-Day ceremonies, I knew it was too good to be true and the French would never change. Turns out I was proved right by their subsequent actions.


7 posted on 06/27/2004 7:19:04 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

Chirac is obstructing...Chirac is being difficult?...I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you!


8 posted on 06/27/2004 7:19:51 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: NCjim

Hey France, you go to hell; we'll save civilization! :)


9 posted on 06/27/2004 7:19:58 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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10 posted on 06/27/2004 7:20:38 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: MEG33

Shifty Frogs... its too difficult to expect them to stand behind the alliance. Its time someone told them if they don't like NATO, its time for them to leave!!!


11 posted on 06/27/2004 7:21:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Why don't we just boot the French out of Nato? They are not our allies. What are they doing in there to begin with?


12 posted on 06/27/2004 7:24:42 PM PDT by Brilliant
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"France has signalled that it will approve the training of Iraqi forces - plentiful in number but weak in organisation, says No 10 - but it opposes the presence of any Nato flag or insignia on the ground in Iraq. "

Thats pretty meddlesome if you ask me consideriong that while France is still a member of NATO, de Gaulle pulled them out of any military command issues nearly 40 years ago.

13 posted on 06/27/2004 7:26:37 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Pikamax

The word "lead" should never be used in the same sentence as French!


14 posted on 06/27/2004 7:27:08 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: goldstategop
Chiraq has gone too far....

Perhaps it's time to put the bastard on notice...
Either he gets with the program - or France gets added to the "Axis of Evil" --- and implement formal sanctions and embargo...

This crap has gone beyond a disagreement...
Chiraq is attempting to harm the U.S., as France's only hope to gain relevance...

Time to declare at least ECONOMIC war against the bastards, and those that stand with France....


Semper Fi
15 posted on 06/27/2004 7:28:24 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: not2worry

They would like nothing better than to see the U.S lose in Iraq so they can say, "we told you so." <sarcasm


16 posted on 06/27/2004 7:29:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

"...four weeks after D-Day!"

4 weeks plus about 60 years - a lot changes over time.


17 posted on 06/27/2004 7:29:32 PM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping - perhaps D. Cheney)
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To: Pikamax

Chirac's zone of the interior(U.S.) Anti-American Allies aiding in the resistance:

http://www.cpusa.org/

http://www.dsausa.org/

DSA's "Progressive Caucas" Links below:

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp

The Enemy Within!!!!


18 posted on 06/27/2004 7:31:24 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: goldstategop

It is my understanding that they are not part of the military arm of NATO.


19 posted on 06/27/2004 7:34:53 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: MEG33

#19. You are correct, they are not part of the military arm of NATO.


20 posted on 06/27/2004 7:36:21 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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