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Feinstein Gun Ban Could Come up in the Senate Next Week
Gun Owners of America ^ | July 1, 2004

Posted on 07/02/2004 10:02:42 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo

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81 posted on 07/04/2004 8:07:51 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Ref your: "Anyone who actually reads AND understands the 2nd Amendment will see that there is no need or authority for any type of gun registration and there is no need for anyone to have to apply for a license to carry a gun."

This is true, but, due to the Overwhelming ability of the USA Courts and Politicians to use our Tax Dollars to bankrupt anybody who dares to exercise the "RIGHT", it is totally impractical for individual citizens to fight the current system under which we, as citizens are progressively reclaiming our RIGHTS.

Reference our Web Site: Ohioans for Concealed Carry
http://www.ofcc.net/

which has been successful and largely responsible for converting Ohio to a Concealed Carry State.

The Constitutionally Protected Rights were taken away by the Judicial Branch and the Legislature and the Executive Branch over the past 228 years, and we are making great progress over the past 12 years at reclaiming our rights, largely due to the power of the Internet and sites such as FreeRepublic.com.

On September 25, 2003, the Ohio Supreme Court declared that the State had the power to ban "Hidden Guns" since the citizens had another way (Open Carry) to exercise their right to carry firearms as spelled out in the Ohio Constitution, not to mention the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. The Supreme Court Justices laughed at the "Low Life" citizens who would consider such a thing as openly carrying firearms, but they were WRONG. We seized upon their words in "Klein vs. Leis" to declare Ohio as "OHIO CARRY" State and many of us began Openly Carrying our Firearms, participating in state-wide Open Carry "DEFENSE WALKS" while carefully still complying with the laws against carrying loaded firearms in our cars. We then leveraged this "Ohio Carry" to get the Ohio HB12 passed and even signed by RINO Governor Taft on January 7, 2004 for implementation on 8-APR-2004.

Now, holding our OH, FL, and PA CHL's we can choose many states in the USA where our Vacation and Business Travel Dollars are welcome and we can largely avoid the rest!

Now, you can wait for the 2nd Amendment to actually get re-established by citing references to Thomas Jefferson, but I guarantee that that has not worked, except as motivation to individuals in groups like Ohioans For Concealed Carry all over this great nation to, brick by brick, remove the barriers and re-claim our rights.

RamS
82 posted on 07/05/2004 6:05:37 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
IIRC, one of Finestein's body guards packs a Tec-9. Reminds me of the old phrase: Do as I say, not as I do.

Look in Websters, and next to the definition of "Elitist, limousine liberal hypocrite," is Di-Fi's picture.

5.56mm

83 posted on 07/05/2004 6:15:40 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: RamingtonStall
"Now, you can wait for the 2nd Amendment to actually get re-established by citing references to Thomas Jefferson, but I guarantee that that has not worked, except as motivation to individuals in groups like Ohioans For Concealed Carry all over this great nation to, brick by brick, remove the barriers and re-claim our rights."

I appreciate your input.
You make some good points.
IF everyone carried guns, without "illegal" permits, society would become more civilized.
84 posted on 07/05/2004 10:40:21 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Better not to ban them? Why go through the hassle of a black market if you don't have to?


85 posted on 07/06/2004 12:12:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Kerry/Clinton--Taking Things for the Common Good 2004)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for your response. I expect that the USA is going to become more civilized and polite as more and more Americans obtain their CHL's even though they do not believe the Government had the power to ban carry in the first place.

In the cases where the State denies the applicant a CHL for some reason, the "OHIO CARRY" option is still available in Ohio and, quite frankly, I frequently "Open Carry" in support of them even though I have my CHL. Plus, in order to comply with Ohio's Law, I need to "OPEN CARRY" when riding my Motorcycle! (Does the Uncle Remus Story about B'rer Rabbit and the Briar patch come to mind?)

Be Safe!

RamS


86 posted on 07/06/2004 5:12:52 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: take

I was watching the movie The Majestic (with Jim Carrey) yesterday and there was one part that really caught me. The lawyer (I think) for Carrey's character told him that the Constitution is a contract with the American people and that like all contracts is open to renegotiation. Seems that a lot of people believe that whether by choice or because it was ingrained into them. What we need is more people like Carrey's character, that are willing to stand up no matter what the possible reprucussions and state that the Constitution is a contract that is not open to renegotiation.


87 posted on 07/06/2004 7:01:43 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn

Thats funny, a constitution is supposed to be superior to a "contract" just like a constitutional amendment trumps a mere law.


88 posted on 07/06/2004 7:41:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: RamingtonStall

Odd how VT is the only state where there is no need for a permit to carry a gun.
Last I heard Alaska was working on this also.


89 posted on 07/06/2004 8:01:20 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

VT came about in the early 1900's pretty much like the "OHIO CARRY" came about in 2003. Not through the Legislature and the Governor signing a bill into law, but by a Supreme Court Ruling from the early 1900's that effectively said people in VT have the right carry guns wherever they wanted as long as they do not intend to use them in the commission of a crime. If you rob a gas station with a gun in VT, you get charged with robbery plus illegal possession of a firearm.

Ohio's Supreme court got too loose with their pen in writing their decision in Klein v. Leis (25-SEPT-2003). They were trying to have their cake and eat it too by saying that it is illegal to carry concealed guns, thinking that people would never even want to openly carry. They effectively declared the right to Open Carry a firearm is a Basic Fundamental Right in Ohio. While many considered this to be a set-back for the efforts to reclaim the right to Concealed Carry in Ohio, I personally started touting this as a GREAT VICTORY!

The Ohio Supreme Court had Pronounced that citizens of Ohio could Openly Carry Firearms as a Basic Fundamental Right with no need for Training, Licenses, Fees, regulations, limits, etc. This ruling and our reaction were undoubtedly instrumental in the Legislature and Governor passing and signing the new CHL law.

The "Open Carry" option is still available to anyone who is denied a CHL due to some stupid reason such as a 25 year old drug possession conviction, etc. While not able to carry in a car, they could follow the "Ohio Carry" procedures which we carefully spelled out to assure that they will be able to possess and carry firearms for their self defense and security.

ALASKA: Alaska, I believe, just declared by Law that everybody can carry "VT Style" PLUS they began issuing Licenses to qualified applicants which gave then Alaska Citizens the ability to be recognized in other states or to qualify for Non-Resident Licenses in other States, something that has been a problem for the citizens of VT.

Be Safe!

RamS


90 posted on 07/06/2004 11:20:40 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: RamingtonStall

Thanks for the further education!


91 posted on 07/06/2004 11:35:48 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Want better gun control? Try eating more carrots.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'm with you, but I guess what I said is more indicative of the result of such idiocy by the Dim-o-craps


92 posted on 07/06/2004 1:44:53 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Kerry renames the US The People's Republic of America)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Looks like the Communist from California, Diane Feinstein, isn't going to let up one iota on eroding our American inalienable rights that are GUARANTEED in the U.S. Constitution which SHE took an oath to uphold!


93 posted on 07/06/2004 5:19:57 PM PDT by cacher
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To: FairOpinion

A large core of the Republican Party was highjacked several years ago by left-wingers, (progressives,liberals, communists, Trotskyites, etc.), when the Republicans took over both Houses in '94. They like to refer to themselves as "moderates" or Neo-Cons, but they seem to vote more with liberal Democrats than true Conservatives. It's best we concentrate more on educating our fellow citizens and neighbors on OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS that are ETCHED IN STONE. I don't care what Bills may come before Congress or what "opinion" the Supreme Court may render, I will NOT abide by it, period.


94 posted on 07/06/2004 5:28:22 PM PDT by cacher
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To: cacher

Absolutely right about the Left Wingers of the Republican Party. In Ohio, we finally got rid of Democrat Senator Metzenbaum and Senator Glenn, only to get 2 RINO's in Senator DeWine And Senator Voinovich.

But, in the past 20 years, the new technology boom has toppled the Soviet Union from within by FAX communications, The Chinese Government is under attack from within due to the Cellular Phone Text Messaging, and the Truth about Guns is being regularly spread over the Internet in Gun Grabbing countries like England, Australia, and Canada. Life is Good and the wider spread use of the Internet is going to make it better.

The USA needs to be run by "We the People" and not by the Liberal Politicians who want to take away our guns.

Free Republic Rocks!

RamS


95 posted on 07/07/2004 4:46:24 AM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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