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To: steve802
In U.S. vs Lopez, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote:

Put simply, much if not all of Art. I, 8 (including portions of the Commerce Clause itself) would be surplusage if Congress had been given authority over matters that substantially affect interstate commerce. An interpretation of cl. 3 that makes the rest of 8 superfluous simply cannot be correct. Yet this Court's Commerce Clause jurisprudence has endorsed just such an interpretation: the power we have accorded Congress has swallowed Art. I, 8.

Indeed, if a substantial effects test can be appended to the Commerce Clause, why not to every other power of the Federal Government. There is no reason for singling out the Commerce Clause for special treatment. Accordingly, Congress could regulate all matters that substantially affect the Army and Navy, bankruptcies, tax collection, expenditures, and so on. In that case, the clauses of 8 all mutually overlap, something we can assume the Founding Fathers never intended.

Our construction of the scope of congressional authority has the additional problem of coming close to turning the Tenth Amendment on its head. Our case law could be read to reserve to the United States all powers not expressly prohibited by the Constitution. Taken together, these fundamental textual problems should, at the very least, convince us that the substantial effects test should be reexamined.

Do you agree with Justice Thomas' comments on substantial effects and the Commerce Clause?

37 posted on 07/09/2004 2:23:49 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
I've read many of your posts and enjoy your take on things constitutional. Post #37 and Thomas' remarks ring true as power, like nature, abhores a vacuum. Commerce clause as a road to tyranny was probably not imagined by those who wrote it.

Leave it to those forever adorned with jackboots to infiltrate that which was designed to keep them expressly from the party. Rude barely begins to describe them.

50 posted on 07/09/2004 7:55:15 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Ken H
"When a judge assumes the power to decide which distinctions made in a statute are legitimate and which are not, he assumes the power to disapprove of any and all legislation, because all legislation makes distinctions."
-- Judge Robert Bork

You tell me what's more dangerous, Ken H, elected officials passing bad laws or unelected, appointed for life, activist judges.

We have more to fear from Justice Thomas and his 8 buddies on the USSC than we do from Congress. IMO.

56 posted on 07/10/2004 2:35:45 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Ken H
Do you agree with Justice Thomas' comments on substantial effects and the Commerce Clause?

Article I.8 includes the "necessary and proper" clause, which Clarence Thomas neglects to mention. Not that the "commerce clause" isn't stretched well beyond the point of absurdity, but there is at least some justification.

493 posted on 08/11/2004 9:57:14 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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