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Social Conservatives Want More of Their Own to Speak at the G.O.P. Convention
NY Times ^ | July 12, 2004 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 07/12/2004 12:05:47 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

I will only be concerned when RINO's are headlining the ticket. So far its still Bush and Cheney from what I remember.


61 posted on 07/12/2004 6:45:02 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Huck
From your link about "Key conservatives" (*wink wink*), the line that should make every conservative sit up and know it's a bogus hit piece is this one:

The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal

Right.

62 posted on 07/12/2004 6:45:53 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: neverdem
To all the Republicans out there. Keep it up and Kerry will win. Do not ignore Conservatives because that is how George Sr. lost.
63 posted on 07/12/2004 6:47:22 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Sometimes having a larger tent means making it uncomfortable for those who liked their company small and their thiking rigid.

AMEN!!!!!!

64 posted on 07/12/2004 6:47:40 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: no dems
Why don't you guys keep it up and divide the GOP as much as you can then on election night maybe Michael Moore, George Soros, Whoppi Goldberg, John Mellancamp or Chevy Chase will invite you to one of their victory parties.

Spare us the histrionics will ya?

Some of us give a damn about conservatisms future that's why we bitch. Hell, somebodys gotta keep pulling back on the reigns of the Christian right so we don't get pulled over the cliff.

Why does that mean we're going to vote for anti-American idiots like those you mentioned?

65 posted on 07/12/2004 6:47:46 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Hank Rearden
Conservative Republicans don't have the guts to punish Bush for being a RINO.

97 percent of CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS support Bush, according to the latest Pew Research survey.

Just how would you 3 percenters like Bush punished?

Do you think putting Kerry in the Oval Office will "show him" just how serious you are?

66 posted on 07/12/2004 6:49:38 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: zarf
Religious social conservatives scare the hell out of many many moderate Republicans because if they become the predominant voice in the party, the Republicans are doomed to lose nationally.

Part of the problem we have right now is that they USE to be in control of the party -- and now that they're not, they are determined to trash the rest of us.

67 posted on 07/12/2004 6:51:37 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Howlin

Bwaahahaha! I didn't even see that line. Yeah, right wingers were really distraught about Abu Garaib. LOL.


68 posted on 07/12/2004 6:51:56 AM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: Huck

Yep. Bells and whistles went off when I read it!


69 posted on 07/12/2004 6:54:39 AM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: neverdem

Why don't they get Michael Reagan to speak? He's the only remaining Reagan who really "gets it."


70 posted on 07/12/2004 6:59:01 AM PDT by ncdrumr
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To: Wallace T.
However, most of those who protest the agenda of the Christian Right do so from a libertine, "anything goes" mentality. Liberal courts have manufactured a structure of "rights" in the last 40 years: abortion, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, "no fault" divorce, pornography, vagrancy, etc. These "rights" have nothing to do with what the Founders of this republic conceived of as being unalienable rights. These vices had been illegal under Anglo-American common law since medieval times.

The fact is there are societal and political realities that the extremes of the party refuse to accept.

The far right has similarities to the far left in that legislation and governmental intrutsion seem to be the main responses to what they feel are the problems in our culture.

I firmly believe that less government intrusion and manipulation will allow for the the society (especially in terms of personal behavior and morality) to reach it's own healthy equilibrium.

71 posted on 07/12/2004 7:02:05 AM PDT by zarf
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To: sinkspur
You're an institutional bellyacher around here.

Maybe he is, and I often disagree with him, but...he is one of the few left that provides a balance to the fingers-in-the-ears crowd.

Someone's got to get the message to the GOP that they are going too far with this "look...we're all moderates" push. And now is the time to do it, before the convention.

Here's one of the upcoming convention speakers:

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, New York City: "There's too many guns on the street. And people use guns. Guns have one purpose, it is to kill people. There is no reason to have a gun."

How about we get Michael Reagan on the podium?

72 posted on 07/12/2004 7:04:15 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: thoughtomator
"Nah, give the RINOs the TV time. Conservatives control the platform, that's the more important thing. "

Dole established the GOP tradition of not reading the platform. "Show me your company and I'll tell you who you are". This is not a Conservative Party any longer it is a RINO Party. That's why Bush endorsed Specter.

73 posted on 07/12/2004 7:05:43 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all Things Truth Beareth Away the Victory")
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To: zarf
I firmly believe that less government intrusion and manipulation will allow for the the society (especially in terms of personal behavior and morality) to reach it's own healthy equilibrium.

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.

--Herbert Spencer

74 posted on 07/12/2004 7:13:58 AM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: Wallace T.
First of all, thank you for the excellent and well thought out post. I will put you on my VIF (Very intelligent Freepers)list for future reference.

The picture you paint is a fair and balanced defense of SC's goals based on Christian teachings in their ideal, educated conservative form.

My argument is that although you are correct about the doctrine itself and perhaps even the intent, the practice and/or interpretation comes across in such a manner that it scares average moral Americans (who according to you should have nothing to fear). And, it scares them enough to vote for Democrats. Thus, something must be rotten in Denmark.

I will admit to intentionally nitpicking by pulling out these words you used:

of the ability to control vice

as a prime example of the type of language that SC's use that causes them to split the party. The Vice Police or religious police are exactly the type of institutions that exist in the theocratic systems of Islam.

Moreover, the undoubted response of an SC to the question, "Who decides what is moral?" is to revert to the Christian bible. Unfortunately, there are some disagreements in different cultures with regards to things such as divorce and pre-marital sex. Thus, in a pluralistic culture such as America, talk about controlling vice can quickly be interpreted as an attempt to impose Christian religious values on others regardless of religion.

I do not want you to get me wrong, I agree with most of the basic SC tenets. That is not the point. Rather that their "bible thumping" generally does more damange to Republicans causes on a national (and often state) level than it does good.

75 posted on 07/12/2004 7:16:43 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Tax Energy not Labour.)
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To: Wallace T.

good post. There is no comparison btwn the Taliban and what mainstream Chirstianity wants. The Bible says we are first citizens of heaven.


76 posted on 07/12/2004 7:18:46 AM PDT by votelife (Calling abortion a women's issue is like calling war a men's issue!)
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To: Tall_Texan
It sounds as if the administration has a tin ear when it comes to listening to social consevratives and there can really be only one reason for that. They don't really believe in what we stand for.

They would believe in what we stand for if it would get them votes, but let's face it, many of the issues you and I believe in are too divisive or seen negatively by many who are in the middle.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just the reality. The GOP can't afford to do anything that could cost them votes in key segments.

77 posted on 07/12/2004 7:27:37 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: zarf
The far right has similarities to the far left in that legislation and governmental intrutsion [sic] seem to be the main responses to what they feel are the problems in our culture.

LOL...here on planet Earth, there are few advocates of the use of government power greater than "moderate" Republicans.

Conservative Republicans have wanted to shrink government for a long time, but are always blocked by moderates. Apparently, the fact that conservatives want to amend the Constitution to stop the impelmentation of court-ordered homogamy is some kind of awful threat, on a par with Alar.

78 posted on 07/12/2004 7:30:56 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: af_vet_rr
I don't buy it...they haven't tried selling conservatism for a long time. It can be done; Reagan proved that.

I think it's because a large number of the party leaders don't really like it all that much.

79 posted on 07/12/2004 7:34:32 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Moreover, the undoubted response of an SC to the question, "Who decides what is moral?" is to revert to the Christian bible. Unfortunately, there are some disagreements in different cultures with regards to things such as divorce and pre-marital sex.

If you take a look at the political activism and leanings of the Episcopalean Church, you'll see that on a political level, the differences can run much deeper than that, even within the Christian community.

80 posted on 07/12/2004 7:35:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ( Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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