Posted on 07/12/2004 9:38:33 AM PDT by qam1
"Dennis Peterson and his daughter, Dee Ann Haibeck, are boomer bookends, born Jan. 1, 1946, and Oct. 28, 1964. Peterson of Bellevue, Wash., says people from his era "opened the door for a lot of discussions America hadn't been having" - about such divisive matters as race, women's rights, the Vietnam War. He says those of his daughter's era "didn't have the testosterone to get involved in social issues. I don't think they had our sense of responsibility.""
Haibeck feels some of her dad's hippie contemporaries "changed our culture for the worse" by making society too liberal."
Oh this is beautiful.
Dad was only 18, some damn SELFISH drug- and sex-crazed narcissist, when he sired this girl. He doesn't see how HE is the selfish, self-gratifying idiot. And every1 else is inferior, older and younger. So typical '60s hippie. (Likewise selfishly and self-righteously, he thinks his little teenage butt had so much to do w/what was "questioned". Nevermind all that '60s stuff was simmering in the '50s at least, and could only be brought to the fore by those at least in their mid-20s - you know, those who had lives?)
She's a bit older than I am and she must oppose her dad's views. Well, isn't it a shock that an 18yo "father" who praises self-gratification anything-goes and "rebellion" (for the sake of rebellion, against older people like your parents) would find himself w/a daughter who's "rebelled" against him? Oh no, it couldn't be!
"Far too many of the boomers failed as parents, which is why today so many Gen Xers believe that they succeeded in SPITE of their parents, and not because of them."
Wait a minute! Not *all* of us GenReagans were sired/"raised" by Hippie Boomers. Lots of us came from the older generation; sorry!
You're not painting *my* parents w/the '60s brush! LOL
Well, break it up, guys! Please! LOL
I haven't read this whole thing, just the 1st and last pages. But it looks like there's been alot of:
a) using a broad brush on any given generation, particularly "Boomers" and
b) reactionary replies to a)
1st, I want to say that indeed there is generally a reason for things like "generations" getting a reputation. Stereotypes have at least a grain of truth. As for Boomers, perhaps the majority of people there were NOT hippy liberals, but that majority sure was silent, while the stupid minority got the limelite and the policy influence. Because of that minority's influence, the Boomer generation gained a reputation as a Hippie Generation. (On FR, that's a hated thing....)
2nd, I think most of us aren't so stupid as to really believe every person of so&so generation is like the stereotype. So please, people, don't take these slights so seriously and PERSONALLY.
BTW, I disagree w/alot of what qam1 said, or analogized. I am that GenReagan (I don't like X!) myself, and I think so far our "gen" may be superior to that before on many planes, but I don't know; not yet. I'd NEVER call our GenReagan the Greatest, or anywhere near. Not from what I've seen! That's my objective take on it. Just cuz I think (maybe) the ~influential~ side of my own generation may be superior to the Hippie part of the previous gen, doesn't mean I think it's better than any other. (So that's not "biased", thanks.)
My objective view in fact is that Brokaw pegged the Greatest Generation way off. The greatest was the 1st real Americans. They weren't socialists, and they certainly didn't raise a bunch of socialist brats, either!
(Again, apologies to all reasonable Boomers, and I know there're alot of you out there! Heck my bro and sis are part of the last wave!)
Truce.
Junk Science....like what, alchemy or maybe diagnosing people with the vapors?
Tune in, Turn on and drop out....Timothy Leary, greatest generation.
Health/Safety Nazis.....Nazis? (a useful dem word) Oh, I get it, those guys who gas whole families and incinerate the remains if they don't wear a seatbelt...those Nazis
Destruction of the Nuclear Family....courtesy of feminism, pioneered by the likes of Germaine Greer, Phyllis Chessler and a half dozen other non-boomer women and a result of reliable reproduction controls aka "the pill", an invention of the GG
Destruction of the Black Extended family....this is likely your most bald-faced lie. The welfare state that created the conditions that led to this problem was, as you well know, installed by Washington in the years before any boomers were old enough to vote.
That's as far as I got. You have more lies in the first three lines of your rant than Michael Moore has in the first halfhour of F911. Your methods and his are the same. You both villify, name call and you both are dishonest.
"I'll read whatever is posted on FR; that is, if you don't mind."
Sure, Buddy, read whatever the heck you want. But don't read it and then grouse to the rest of us that you're tired of reading it. If you're tired of reading things that you don't like, then the solution is...stop reading.
I haven't read this whole thing, just the 1st and last pages. But it looks like there's been alot of:
a) using a broad brush on any given generation, particularly "Boomers" and
I see you missed post #132
b) reactionary replies to a)
2nd, I think most of us aren't so stupid as to really believe every person of so&so generation is like the stereotype. So please, people, don't take these slights so seriously and PERSONALLY.
BTW, I disagree w/alot of what qam1 said, or analogized.
You disagree with me? I am utterly shocked :-)
But I agree with the way you put it and I can give you another analogy that fits these threads with what you are saying.
I was born a New York and now I live in New Jersey, So whether you consider me a New Yorker or New Jerseyian doesn't matter, either one will do. Now just look at who they both voted in, In New York we elected the most liberal socialist governor 3 times and New York City is the bullseye for every terrorist out there and yet they still support Kerry by wide margins and then there is Hillary. While in New Jersey there was the whole Toricelli-Lousenberg thing and we have one of the most corrupt Governors in the country and in the last election NJ voters gave him majorities in both houses.
Now there is only one conclusion you can reach from the above, Most New Yorkers and New Jerseyans have to be stupid to vote these people in. And yes on NY & NJ threads people from other states will eagarly point that out. Now does that mean they think everyone from NY or NJ is an idiot? Are the people from other states just trying to start "Interstate" warfare? Do I or other freepers from NY/NJ get insulted when they say these things? Of course not.
The same with the Baby Boomers, many are fine, wonderful people (Like my parents), However the fact is many if not most of them in that generation did/are doing their best either willingly or unwillingly to undo all the values and institutions that made this country great and the sooner the myth they give themselves breaks and they are removed from power the better.
(I disagreed w/you thinking the C-64 was the Model T; the Boomer was right, the AppleII and variants was the Model T. Every1 had 1 who had a computer. Neither did I much like comparing "us" to Henry Ford. But I digress....)
I agree very much about that analogy.
The hard truth is stereotypes have at least a grain of truth in them. I know we're not supposed to believe that, even on a conservative board, but it's the truth. Stereotypes don't develop successfully w/o there being a broad basis in truth.
BTW, it's also true MDers are ludicrous lefties. I'm native and I still live here; I'm not offended and I can even admit that leftie "bias" straight out! I hate it, but hey, it's true!
Reread my previous posts. I think boomers are generally liberal, so it follows that I also think boomers' attitudes toward SS are liberal. Mind you, this is one person's opinion.
well my point is... generalizing is generally a crock, and that Freepers who are boomers are conservative and hold different views, so you might imagine they would be Pd O being lumped in with the liberal boomers. : )
We can empathize as I hate being lumped in with liberal X-ers. :-)
What concerns me is I think the boomers and the seasoned citizens are in control of policy right now as they have the market on votes. It'd be nice if they could help turn our nation in a more conservative direction domestically.
Not true My Grandparents are WW2 Gen & they were too young 2 vote 4 Roosevelt
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