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Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal
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Posted on 07/16/2004 8:54:50 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

In 1973, The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society.

What Really Happened?

Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association---and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occured in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnoses. (1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kamney grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a decleration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kamney had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexualiy be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convntion, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud, and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from the Dsm-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffery Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how that after the 1973 APA decisiion, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man--suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth."

Dr. Socarides Speaks Out

Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals inside and outside of the APA forced this organization to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid scientific evidence to prove that homosexuiality is not a disordered behavior.

Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic : The Issue of Homosexuality writes: "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years..."

Socarides continued: "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status."

"To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost--a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propogation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences." Dr. Socarides' report is available from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality: www.narth.com.

The Importance of The DSM.

The DSM(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is the most widely used disgnostic reference book utilized by mental health professionals in the United States.

It's a manual by which all diagnostic codes are derived for diagnosis and treatment - every single physician (an estimated 850,000*) in the United States refers to this book in order to code for a diagnoses. In plain English, what does this mean? It means that for over 30 years physicians have been prevented from properly diagnosing homosexuality as an aberrant behavior and thus, cannot, recomend a treatment for these individuals.

Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily towards objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts...performed under bizarre circumstances...Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitue normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.

*American Medical Association statistic, 2002.


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KEYWORDS: ama; apa; behavior; culturewar; disorders; dsm; dsmii; homosexualagenda; homosexualbehavior; homosexuality; myth; narth; prisoners; psychiatry; religionofsecularist; secularhumanism; socarides; tvc; worldviewscollide
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1 posted on 07/16/2004 8:54:51 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The problem is that "treatment' for homosexuality has proven to be quackery.

The Founders gave us the tools to deal with this: It's called "freedom of association." We will never eliminate homosexuals, and it is probably counterproductive to try. But we don't have to let them in to every aspect of society, especially those invovling young boys, either.


2 posted on 07/16/2004 9:03:01 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I was listening to a re-run of Law and Order on TNT. The defendant's lawyer was trying to get a racist murderer off on the novel grounds that racism is a mental illness, and the defendant should get treatment, not jail time and execution. This lawyer was examining the prosecution's psychiatrist, who denied that racism was a mental illness. The dialogue went something like this:

Lawyer: "Why won't psychiatrists reclassify racism as a mental illness?"

Psychiatrist: "Because there is no scientific evidence indicating that we should do so."

Lawyer: "But there was no scientific evidence indicating that homosexuality wasn't a mental illness, yet you reclassified that! Why?"

Psychiatrist: "True; that was a reaction to a changing social environment and consensus."

I thought that was a interesting exchange to go out from a mass-media popular program.


3 posted on 07/16/2004 9:09:41 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Psychiatry hasn't helped society in this issue at all, and I for one doubt that the practice ever could.


4 posted on 07/16/2004 9:09:54 AM PDT by GVnana (Tagline? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

In 1973, The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

durring the same time frame, they also put PMS as a mental disorder, allowing women to kill their husbands and plead insanity, getting away with lighter sentencing.

it was just another attempt by the liberals to express hatred of all things straight, male, and white.


5 posted on 07/16/2004 9:10:02 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: eno_

Baloney.

Before 1973, when homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder, there were numerous scientific papers/studies that were present within the sexual behavior medline that showed the effectiveness of sexual reorientation treatment. Sure, the percentage of homosexuals who were treated that changed their sexual orientation from total homosexual to total heterosexual was between 30 and 50%, but should treatment be denied, say, for all people who may suufer a heart attck, if the success rate of treatment is only 30 to 50%?

As well, recently, there was a paper published among the American Psychological Associations books by Dr. Throckmorten that showed that reorientation treatment was safe and effective. Dr. Spitzer's(The man who in 1973 helped lead the charge to have homosexuality removed from the DSM-II) recent work(2003) also shows that sexual reorientation treatment does, in fact, work.

Both show that sexual reorientation treatment for homosexuals is successful, just as it was proven to be before 1973.


6 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:18 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

whats sad though, is that i can witness even my homo/bisexual friends having mental instability. i have pointed out that their is a correlation, and they deny it.

i am yet to meet a homo/bisexual who either wasnt suicidal, or raped, or just has problems at home.

i will admit to having had thoughts like that before (homosexual) and you know what? on reflection, it was also in some of the darker parts of my life. times when i felt like crawling into a ball and enjoying nothingness forever.

its sad really... a full 5-10% of our people, told by the tv daily, that their painful thoughts are normal, and that they should just live with them.


7 posted on 07/16/2004 9:18:02 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: RonF

Very interesting exchange....I am surprised that TNT broadcast that. Thanks for the post.


8 posted on 07/16/2004 9:21:55 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: MacDorcha

There was a recent Dutch study conducted within the Netherlands, the most gay-affirming society on the planet, and has been for decades, that showed that homosexuals are far more likely to be alcoholics, to suffer single or even multiple mental disorders and on and on...This agrees with other studies within highly gay-affirming socities like San Francisco, New Zealand, etc.. and they all show the same thing.

Blows out of the water that " internalized homophobia" is responsible for homosexuals higher mental problem rates.

There are also studies that show a high correlation of homosexuality with being raped/molested as a child by an adult man. Just Google, you'll find these studies.


9 posted on 07/16/2004 9:28:12 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: MacDorcha

If true, concerning PMS being declared a mental disorder, that does not surprise me in the least.


10 posted on 07/16/2004 9:29:42 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I read an interesting article by a psychiatrist who believed that homosexuality was a symptom of other mental disorders. He found that when he treated the other problems of his homosexual patients, their "same sex attraction" went away, too!


11 posted on 07/16/2004 9:42:36 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Where am I? Who are all these kids, and why are they calling me Mom?)
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To: MacDorcha

This is insane. Yes, there are a good number of homosexuals who face mental illness in their lives. But it ain't just the queers lining up at the pharmacy counters for psychiatric medications. There's an awful lot of straight folx out there on Prozac, you know. And, don't argue percentages with me unless you've got published statistics to back them up.


And, to compare homosexual desire to nihilism is patently absurd. I suppose we're still to believe masturbation to be self-abuse, right?

Hmmm. My palm is getting a bit hairy . . . urban legend, my ass!


12 posted on 07/16/2004 9:43:20 AM PDT by Boogada (Whatever.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

correcting myself. PMS was reclassified in the mid 90's. before i took interest in Psychology (as i was only 8 at the time)

however, that does not change the weight or direction of the heavy foot.


13 posted on 07/16/2004 9:46:17 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Boogada
I suppose we're still to believe masturbation to be self-abuse, right?

Wait. You mean it isn't? All these years wasted!
14 posted on 07/16/2004 9:47:05 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: eno_; Laissez-faire capitalist
We will never eliminate homosexuals, and it is probably counterproductive to try.

there were numerous scientific papers/studies that were present within the sexual behavior medline that showed the effectiveness of sexual reorientation treatment.

I believe that more effort should be afforded to reorientation treatment. Isn't a form of this used to rehabilitate victims of child prostitution?

15 posted on 07/16/2004 9:48:04 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Boogada

i never said all people with problems are gay. i simply said in my experience (and if you looked, youd find it too, i assure you) and research, gay people have issues.

and these issues are not "because thy are gay"

just the opposite.

i view masterbation as a recreational experience, thank you very much :p


16 posted on 07/16/2004 9:49:40 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Tax-chick

that sounds about right.


17 posted on 07/16/2004 9:50:33 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
homosexuals are far more likely to be alcoholics,

Yeah, Russians and Native Americans, too.
18 posted on 07/16/2004 9:50:51 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Thanks. You say "google." Where did you start?


19 posted on 07/16/2004 9:54:30 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Urges. People have them all the time. For the most pert they are resisted. Occasionaly, by some, they are satisified. Like David Berkowitz, or John Wayne Gacie, among others.


20 posted on 07/16/2004 9:56:29 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Tax-chick

Can you give us a reference? Even if it is only one man'sopinion, it provides ammo.


21 posted on 07/16/2004 9:56:43 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

lol, i just got an idea of where google may have taken you... ewwwwwwwwwwww


22 posted on 07/16/2004 9:58:33 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: RonF

"I thought that was a interesting exchange to go out from a mass-media popular program."


Obviously somebody screwed up.


23 posted on 07/16/2004 9:59:17 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: eno_

I assume you are also claiming we don't have the right to deny ourselves treatment.


24 posted on 07/16/2004 10:01:03 AM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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To: RobbyS

It was in an issue of "Catholic Dossier" on the subject of homosexuality. And the author might have been Dutch. I wish I could do better ... but if Catholic Dossier is still publishing, they probably have an index of their issues on line somewhere. They lost me (or vice versa) a few moves ago!


25 posted on 07/16/2004 10:01:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Where am I? Who are all these kids, and why are they calling me Mom?)
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To: BikerNYC

if you want to pull THAT card, Scotch-Irish, Nordics and Germans are more prone to become Alcholics.

Norse and German culture embraces gay ideas. (no pun intended, ew)

Russians in the western areas have the same thing. and Native Americans are living on patches of dirt given to them as repayment, of course they're going to look at the bottom of a glass, they were screwed.


26 posted on 07/16/2004 10:02:21 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The APA was 'intimidated' into 'declaring' sodomy and other homosexual acts to be no longer pathologic...

Up until DSM II...Sodomites and lesbians were considered mentally ill.....with one stroke of the pen of a compromised group of Phds and Mds.....Homosexuals were normalized...according to the APA

Wonder if they can lobby the AMA to 'declassify' AIDS.... as no longer a contagious diesease (condition)....


27 posted on 07/16/2004 10:11:09 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: MacDorcha
Now, if homosexuals have mental instability, depression and suicidal thoughts, it is totally the fault of the religious right, homophobes, Republicans, conservatives and bullies at school.

And President Bush.

28 posted on 07/16/2004 11:02:55 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: 3catsanadog

lol, yes dont forget to blame Bush.


29 posted on 07/16/2004 11:04:43 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost--a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science...

Psychiatry: politics masquerading as science.

From its beginning to today, without break.

All the DSM entries result from politics, and still do, hiding behind the myth of "mental illness".

30 posted on 07/16/2004 5:22:50 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: MacDorcha
its sad really... a full 5-10% of our people, told by the tv daily, that their painful thoughts are normal, and that they should just live with them.

The actual percentage is closer to 2%.

31 posted on 07/18/2004 1:27:28 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: tuesday afternoon

oh, my psychology book said 5-10%.... and no, im not mocking you, i think this is a good example of people reading different surveys to different answers...


32 posted on 07/18/2004 6:05:47 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha

Homosexuals sexually molested as children in very high percentages.
I don't think it's a coincidence.


33 posted on 07/18/2004 6:17:22 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Is There A Gay Brain?

Excerpted from "Mapping the Mind" by Rita Carter

In 1991 the prestigious journal Science published a study showing that the brains of a group of homosexual men who had died from Aids were structurally different from the brains of heterosexual men. The nucleus in the hypothalamus that triggers male-typical sexual behaviour was much smaller in the gay men and looked more like that in the brains of women. The author, Simon LeVay, then Associate Professor at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies and Adjunct Professor of Biology at the University of California was immediately attacked by gay activists who feared that the recognition of homosexuality as a physical-based condition might lead to it being re-stigmatized. LeVay, who is himself gay, then went on to discover that the corpus callosum differs getween gay and straight men, too-in gays it was found to be bigger. Three years later a study led by molecular biologist Dean Hamer of the National Institute of Health in Washington, DC, found evidence to suggest that a specific gene-carried on the maternal line - influenced sexual orientation in men. Put together, these studies provide strong evidence that homosexuality is rooted in biology - and hostility to the idea has largely disappeared.

34 posted on 07/18/2004 6:40:20 PM PDT by TeknoBeck
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To: mabelkitty

too true.


35 posted on 07/18/2004 10:24:36 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: TeknoBeck

"In 1991 the prestigious journal Science published a study showing that the brains of a group of homosexual men who had died from Aids were structurally different from the brains of heterosexual men. The nucleus in the hypothalamus that triggers male-typical sexual behaviour was much smaller in the gay men and looked more like that in the brains of women. "


the hypothalamus regulates body temp, sleep, and is near (but does not control) the area which produces hormones.

isnt it more likely that a man, suffering from a disease that is attacking the white blood cells simply had his regulatory system overworked?

these findings do not mention the condition of the heterosexual male.

as for the thigh bone... what does that have to do with anything? i can say "gay men are more prone to wear makeup"

it is also markedly true. is that proof of homosexuality?


"found evidence to suggest that a specific gene"

and until the 1980's, the rings and lines in South American deserts were "evidence that suggests aliens"

this has been found to have a rational, wordly answer.

i am not saying that the hypothesis is false, but it hasnt been proven by those terms.


36 posted on 07/18/2004 10:44:37 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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"The nucleus in the hypothalamus that triggers male-typical sexual behaviour was much smaller in the gay men and looked more like that in the brains of women. "

This means that it is a learned behavior....the brain develops in areas which are stimulated--more development in areas of brain that pertain to math and spacial areas exist if one studies piano, for instance. Orphans in Romania had brains which had underdeveloped areas of the brain which had to do with social interaction.......etc. Repeated behaviors will affect the network and growth of the brain......it is only common sense.

All twin studies, which showed that identical twins ended up with different sexual orientations debunked the "gene" theory and proves that the cause is not genetic.


37 posted on 07/18/2004 11:45:50 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

bump


38 posted on 07/18/2004 11:52:42 PM PDT by VOA
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To: eno_

As well, the Founders were all citizens of various states within the Republic at a time when all the states had laws banning homosexual behavior. The Founders gave us no such tools to deal with them(homosexuals)& it's not called "freedom of association", despite your ridiculous and uninformed assertion concerning "freedom of association".


39 posted on 07/19/2004 6:08:36 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: GVgirl

Within the field of psychiatry, especially reperative therapy as outlined by NARTH and other organization, has helped many homosexuals to a large degree with their unwanted homosexual attractions. You see, that's the key from what I have read. If a homosexual is tired of their lifestyle that significantly improves their odds of becoming heterosexual through therapy. Remember, there
are many documented studies of lesbians coming back and totally leaving the lesbian lifestyle.


40 posted on 07/19/2004 6:14:14 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: BikerNYC

You forgot that practicing homosexuals men are also far more likely to have been raped/molested when they were a child by an adult homosexual man. I doubt that all Russians and Native Americans were more likely than other nationalities or races to have been raped/molested as a child by an adult homosexual man....


41 posted on 07/19/2004 6:18:33 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: RobbyS

Where did I start? Journal of the American Medical Association.


42 posted on 07/19/2004 6:20:55 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: joesnuffy

As well, it was noted that along the lines that homosexuality was declared to be "normal", that many other psychiatric disorders could also be "normalized."

The way that homosexuality was "normalized" by the APA was pretty much like this:

"We( the APA) declare you(homosexuals) to be normal.", "Therefore you are normal", without any science to back up/prove this assertion.

Nice try APA, but they(homosexuals) are still not normal!!!


43 posted on 07/19/2004 6:26:23 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: secretagent

Unfortunately that is what has happened with psychiatric science to a large degree...it has become so heavily politicized...hence the need for NARTH.


44 posted on 07/19/2004 6:28:55 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Blows out of the water that " internalized homophobia" is responsible for homosexuals higher mental problem rates.

Well, yes and no.

The charge that society, or individuals, are "homophobic" is in fact a projection of inner dread.

Naming that inner dread "internalized homophobia" is verbose and imprecise, but it's not entirely incorrect.

45 posted on 07/19/2004 6:32:26 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: TeknoBeck

Waht the media did not tell you is that the hypotahalmus of the brain changes with use. To plut it bluntly, professional basketball players will have enlarged areas of their brain, in comparison to non-professional basketball players/. Ths same goes true for Symphony orchestra conducters, etc...

Even Levay admitted to this, that ultimately his studies did not convincingly prove that the hypothalamus/corpus callosum differences in hetero and homo men were a result of biology. No study has ever proven that. The media distorted the findings to suit their political purposes.


46 posted on 07/19/2004 6:35:09 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: mabelkitty
Homosexuals sexually molested as children in very high percentages.
I don't think it's a coincidence.

I don't think it's a coincidence either, but then your left with the homosexuals like Mary Cheney - the Vice President's daughter. I seriously she was molested, and she still turned into a homosexuals. Everything I've read, says the Cheneys were a good Christian family and raised their kids right. Leaves you scratching your head, wondering if maybe the wiring did indeed go wrong somewhere.

It's a shame that as much as so many people in this nation want to talk about their childhoods and if they were molested, etc., on the talk shows, in the press, etc. and yet there is this stigma and political uncorrectness when you talk about molestation and homosexuality together.

47 posted on 07/19/2004 6:41:46 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Jim Noble

Actually, to start back at the beginning, there has been no scientifically validated studies proving that "internalized homopobia" even exists.

Just clearing things up, and to show that if the homosexual activists want to state that "internalized homophobia" does exist, contrary to science,, and if the media wants to advance this ridiculous, unproven notion, then they must also readily admit that the studies show that even in highly gay-affirming cultures the higher mental problem rates of homosexuals versus heterosexual don't disappear.


48 posted on 07/19/2004 6:42:16 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: af_vet_rr
Everything I've read, says the Cheneys were a good Christian family and raised their kids right

But, "everything you've read" actually doesn't tell you anything about what really happens,or doesn't, in someone else's family.

49 posted on 07/19/2004 7:14:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Jim Noble
Actually, a large study, posted on this site last year, concluded that the overwhelmingly consistent reaction to homosexuality was disgust, making the word "homophobia" inaccurate. "Phobia" is a fear of something.

50 posted on 07/19/2004 7:30:34 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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