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Analyzing The 2nd Amendment
OUTDOORSBEST ^ | July 16, 2004 | Don B. Kates

Posted on 07/16/2004 8:59:00 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Cloud William
"Hey, if you absolutely want to stand alongside the 9th Circus Court on this issue, knock yourself out."

Oh my. Please don't misinterpret an explanation of a ruling as my support of that ruling. Why would you do that?

"As far as that interpretation not mattering when it comes to the law, I disagree."

Well, what I meant was that his interpretation doesn't matter -- if the USSC, or any court, had that interpretation, it would matter.

261 posted on 07/20/2004 8:43:58 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
No, I believe you misunderstood my question. Unintentionally, I'm sure.

Here was your first question to me about my point:

Is this Clarence Thomas Appreciation Week, or does your post have a point?

Post Reply | Private Reply | *To 249*

Since you did not specify otherwise, I took it as refering to #249, since #249 was the post you were replying to. How illogical of me.

Seems a bit disingenuous on your part to quote Justice Thomas admonishing Congress but leaving out his criticism of the same actions by his own USSC.

You're the one who said you were sure Justice Thomas had no problem funding judicial activism.

You failed to point out Justice Thomas' criticism of judicial activism in a prior case which you yourself cited. Now, who was being disingenuous?

Given that he's criticized both, I'm simply asking the point of your post #190.

My point in #190 should have been obvious, but I'll repeat it:

"The gun grabbers will use hook or crook to get around the Second Amendment." That was the point.

To quote from Justice Thomas in Printz:

In my "revisionist" view, see post, at 3, the Federal  Government's authority under the Commerce Clause, which merely allocates to Congress the power "to regulate Commerce . . . among the several states," does not extend to the regulation of wholly intrastate, point of sale transactions. See United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549, 584 (1995) (concurring opinion).

Lopez, if you'll recall, was the case in which Justice Thomas wrote so eloquently about the error of the substantial effects doctrine.

I'll be glad to post some of his well thought out opinion from the case. You have but to ask.

262 posted on 07/20/2004 10:58:39 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: robertpaulsen
Oh my. Please don't misinterpret an explanation of a ruling as my support of that ruling. Why would you do that?

Why? Because your comments seem supportive of - or at least sympathetic towards - the "collective right" interpretation, that's why. If I misread that, I apologize.

263 posted on 07/20/2004 1:16:26 PM PDT by Cloud William (The Second Amendment is the Statute of Liberty! - Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: Cloud William
"the "collective right" interpretation,"

I suppose we could close our eyes to the fact that the vast majority of the federal courts have ruled that way ....

I say we leave the USSC out of this and strengthen state constitutions.

264 posted on 07/20/2004 1:45:32 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; Cloud William
I suppose we could close our eyes to the fact that the vast majority of the federal courts have ruled that way ....

I say we leave the USSC out of this and strengthen state constitutions.

What made you change your mind?

And third, I sure do wish that Justice Thomas would spend less time convincing the public of his position and more time convincing his fellow Justices TO ACCEPT A RKBA CASE.

310 posted on 07/18/2004 5:40:54 PM CDT by robertpaulsen

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265 posted on 07/20/2004 3:15:26 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Is this your life's calling -- playing "gotcha"?

Two different areas, buttinski. 1) Should Clarence Thomas a) publicly discuss ad nauseum his conservative position on everything from abortion to gun rights? or b) be spending that time pushing his fellow members to take on a RKBA case? Corrct answer: B

2) Should the citizens of a state like California be pushing for a) the USSC to hear a god-awful case like Silveira v Lockyer? or b) their state legislature to amend the state constitution to protect their RKBA? Correct answer: B

266 posted on 07/20/2004 5:48:30 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Speaking of State governments, did you see these two items?

New year brings new laws

Another new law permits criminal charges against gun owners who fail to store weapons safely _ perhaps by using trigger locks _ in cases where a child ends up injuring someone with the gun. The gun owner could be fined and jailed for 30 days.

Such laws won't stop gun violence, but they can have a real impact, said Barbara Shaw, director of the Illinois Violence Prevention Authority.

``The more society puts its collective foot down, so to speak, the more deterrence we´ll have,´´ she said.

Gov. Blagojevich Launches Children's Mental Health Partnership

Barbara Shaw, Director of the Illinois Violence Prevention Authority has been appointed  Partnership Chairwoman. Referring to the challenging task before her committee, she commented, "I look forward to working with the Partnership and the Blagojevich Administration to build our children's social and emotional strength so they can become happy, achieving students and productive, caring citizens.  We expect that Illinois will be a national leader in this effort."

-- See posts 1072 and 1073

267 posted on 07/20/2004 8:53:31 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
"Another new law permits criminal charges against gun owners ... where a child ends up injuring someone with the gun."

I wonder. Is it any less severe if the child injures someone else with the cocaine they found? The knives they found? The cleaning products, gasoline, lighters, etc. that they found?

I wonder if there are laws that permit criminal charges against the child's guardians for that?

"Gov. Blagojevich Launches Children's Mental Health Partnership"

I take it that you think this is a method to ban future gun ownership? I'd say that you're seeing black helicopters, but you may have a point. The more kids the state diagnoses with ADD, short-term depression, "behavioral problems", etc., the less gun permits that have to issue later.

Good ol' Ken H -- always thinkin'.

268 posted on 07/21/2004 7:03:48 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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