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To: Piefloater; potlatch; Kiwigal; Neophyte; Brian Allen
,,, in the mid 1980s the Labour government of the day set a precident by deporting two French agents who were guilty of manslaughter when they blew up the Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour. The French put signifiant political pressure on and also made some concessions for New Zealand primary produce exports into the EU.

What's happened here with these Israelis is very serious but keep in mind that they haven't killed anyone.

Helen Klark is correct in demanding an official apology from Israel and when she gets one the agents should be deported, without trial.

Phil Goff made a visit to Yassir Arafat last year, so it's pretty transparent where the Labour government's sympathies lie. Israel should give an apology without delay and ask for their two agents to be returned, in line with textbook Labour government procedure and historical treatment. If she doesn't think carefully, the much coveted trade deal with the US could move even slower.

6 posted on 07/17/2004 2:50:09 AM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel

Yeah, the current international policies are a big cringe (remember the "if Gore had won this wouldn't have happened" comment??)

It would be quite interesting to find out whether Israel asked first for NZ passports for their and were turned down, or if they just went ahead anyway. I suspect the government may have said no if asked, on the basis that if hostile countries found out about it, real kiwis would get hassled along with the spies.


9 posted on 07/17/2004 3:39:04 AM PDT by Kiwigal (NZ - Where men are men and sheep are nervous)
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To: shaggy eel
Shaggy, you appear to support Helen on this but do you think that there is an element of political grandstanding involved in her actions?

Apparently there is negligible trade between NZ & Israel and neither country even has an embassy in the other's. Helen really hasn't got much to lose by playing this tough.

One has to wonder if this would have played out the same way if the country involved was much more significant to NZ.

10 posted on 07/17/2004 3:48:47 AM PDT by Piefloater
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To: shaggy eel

You've adapted an interesting take on this one shaggs -- but please don't underestimate the danger to the civilized world posed by Peking Clark and her femmunists' -- and their seemingly open-door policy towards hordes of immigration-outcome seeking islamist "refugees."

Tiny Israel has every right to be afraid of and to keep an eye on every foreign oasis provided its mortal enemies.

Although it aughtn't get caught.

And you'd be suprised, because no-one's ever heard of all y'all, just how many of the folks who slip anonymously about the globe 'keeping an eye on things' travel on New Zealand passports. HehHehHeh .....

Bump.


12 posted on 07/17/2004 4:22:12 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am a Hyphenated American -- Thank God -- An AMERICAN-American! -- And a Dollar-A-Day FReeper.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
18 posted on 07/18/2004 7:32:54 AM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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To: shaggy eel
They're already in jail, they'll be deported in six months. Given the fact that NZ is willing to expel murderers (w/o diplomatic immunity) if given an apology, but breaks off relations over this incident, I'd say their double standard is showing.
19 posted on 07/18/2004 7:50:47 AM PDT by SJackson (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good, Hillary Clinton)
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