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When One (baby) Is Enough (ultimate in cold selfishness)
nytimes ^ | July 18, 2004 | AMY RICHARDS as told to AMY BARRETT

Posted on 07/18/2004 11:39:14 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: snowstorm12
I think that you are right that that is what she was talking about--using the odd calculation of starting at the LMP instead of at conception. I was thinking eight weeks of development, which would be Stage 22 on your chart.

To answer your question, "If it doesn't look human to you is abortion and stem cell research okay as long as you get it done before it looks somewhat human?", I would say no, I personally draw the line before that. I'm a bit confused by your question, though, since you seem to suggest that your answer is that it is not OK, but you wrote in your original post that "Once the fetus attains all human being characteristics it qualifies as a human being to me."

421 posted on 07/19/2004 12:29:43 PM PDT by kalt
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To: old and tired

What I don't get is the "boyfriend" of this check must be the most emasculated metrosexual on earth. How she ever coaxed three sperm out of any man is news to me.


422 posted on 07/19/2004 12:44:46 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: ThreeYearLurker

I have e-mailed her. You just didn't get far enough into the posts yet!


423 posted on 07/19/2004 12:46:44 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: dennisw

I want to say I don't believe this, but I know it's true. What we see here is what we are seeing over and over again. People killing babies, divorcing, etc. because of their selfish desires. Of course it would not be easy. There are many people with a special needs child that will never be able to support itself or live alone and they don't kill it. Of course, Peter Singer would advocate killing it since he's fine with killing kids up to two years of age.

I'm still reeling from this.


424 posted on 07/19/2004 12:52:09 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Geez, you aren't kidding when you say the enemy of all that is good. How can a soul be so deceived or worse yet, so evil, to suggest such a thing. The problem is enough young women don't hear that vitriol--I know even as a very rebellious young woman, hearing that would have troubled me in to reality or close to it.

That leaves me with no doubt that this woman has probably been asked for her hand in marriage, probably even by the man who fathered her THREE children, but she has flatly refused him. What's sad is deep down she may not even believe it anymore, but keeps up appearances for MONEY and PRESTIGE. That is evident enough from the reasons she easily talked her consience into doing away with two of her children recently.


425 posted on 07/19/2004 12:57:06 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: kalt

Okay what I meant was that a fetus that is viable has all the traits that make it qualify. In my opinion viability is the correct line. Viability is the ability to live outside the womb. Technology that attempts to cheat to act as an artifical womb doesn't change the fact that it isn't viable. Either way 90 something percent of all abortions and stem cell research use embryos. There is no way they come close to qualifying.


426 posted on 07/19/2004 1:26:50 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: snowstorm12

So what stage do you, personally, define viability at?


427 posted on 07/19/2004 2:45:54 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cpforlife.org

And yet she supports the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. I wonder if that was just to give a public show of support to her husband, or if she's come around.


428 posted on 07/19/2004 3:08:59 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Salman
She should have stayed on the pill.

But it made her moody! I much prefer her sunny, life-loving, post-pill personality! Don't you? </sarcasm>
429 posted on 07/19/2004 3:13:50 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Marie Antoinette
And what's wrong with big jars of mayo anyway? I have 5 big jars in my pantry right now. Great for sandwiches, potato salad, and creamy salad dressing.

And, who knows? Maybe one, two, or three of the kids wouldn't have liked mayo anyway. I know I don't. I guess we'll never know if two of them would or not.
430 posted on 07/19/2004 3:51:32 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
The ho even has an "Ask Amy" website so she can dispense her child sacrificing evil to the unsuspecting masses.

A few years ago, somebody posted quotes from a feminist/abortion site here. The women were boasting about the abortions they had and making dead baby jokes. One of them even laughed and said something like, "I wonder what the anti-choicers would say if they read what we're saying! LOL!" Wonderful human beings.
431 posted on 07/19/2004 3:54:33 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: litany_of_lies

Rush read this article today, so it'll be preserved in his transcript archives.


432 posted on 07/19/2004 3:57:27 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: DameAutour
How far should a reasonable person go to avoid giant jars of mayonnaise?

LMAO. I hope she responds.

433 posted on 07/19/2004 4:21:57 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Better late than never - PING.

This article exposes the heart and soul of choice.
IMO--The authors are trying to persuade readers to their way of thinking. Teach by example.

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

434 posted on 07/19/2004 5:24:05 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Thanks for the ping. I saw the article earlier and it just made me ill. She cheerfully killed her twins and thinks the rest of us will be just as happy about that as she.


435 posted on 07/19/2004 5:28:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rastus

Wow-didn't get a chance to listen. Will check out.


436 posted on 07/19/2004 5:30:08 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Oh my.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

437 posted on 07/19/2004 5:53:17 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I define viability as the ability to live outside the womb without breathing tubes and extensive medical equipment to act as artificial womb. I'm not sure exactly how many weeks that is. The ability to keep it's own body alive proves it graduated from fetus to human being.


438 posted on 07/19/2004 6:20:23 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: New Perspective

My wife, daughter of the NARAL-supporting in-laws I mentioned, was repelled by this article. That says something significant about the impact that this article may have on the abortion debate in favor of the unborn.

Even the illustration at the top of the article was evocotive.


439 posted on 07/19/2004 7:26:43 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yeah, since according to Andrea Dworkin, all sex with men is "rape," right?


440 posted on 07/19/2004 7:28:33 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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