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When One (baby) Is Enough (ultimate in cold selfishness)
nytimes ^ | July 18, 2004 | AMY RICHARDS as told to AMY BARRETT

Posted on 07/18/2004 11:39:14 AM PDT by dennisw

July 18, 2004 LIVES When One Is Enough By AMY RICHARDS as told to AMY BARRETT

I grew up in a working-class family in Pennsylvania not knowing my father. I have never missed not having him. I firmly believe that, but for much of my life I felt that what I probably would have gained was economic security and with that societal security. Growing up with a single mother, I was always buying into the myth that I was going to be seduced in the back of a pickup truck and become pregnant when I was 16. I had friends when I was in school who were helping to rear nieces and nephews, because their siblings, who were not much older, were having babies. I had friends from all over the class spectrum: I saw the nieces and nephews on the one hand and country-club memberships and station wagons on the other. I felt I was in the middle. I had this fear: What would it take for me to just slip?

Now I'm 34. My boyfriend, Peter, and I have been together three years. I'm old enough to presume that I wasn't going to have an easy time becoming pregnant. I was tired of being on the pill, because it made me moody. Before I went off it, Peter and I talked about what would happen if I became pregnant, and we both agreed that we would have the child.

I found out I was having triplets when I went to my obstetrician. The doctor had just finished telling me I was going to have a low-risk pregnancy. She turned on the sonogram machine. There was a long pause, then she said, ''Are you sure you didn't take fertility drugs?'' I said, ''I'm positive.'' Peter and I were very shocked when she said there were three. ''You know, this changes everything,'' she said. ''You'll have to see a specialist.''

My immediate response was, I cannot have triplets. I was not married; I lived in a five-story walk-up in the East Village; I worked freelance; and I would have to go on bed rest in March. I lecture at colleges, and my biggest months are March and April. I would have to give up my main income for the rest of the year. There was a part of me that was sure I could work around that. But it was a matter of, Do I want to?

I looked at Peter and asked the doctor: ''Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?'' The obstetrician wasn't an expert in selective reduction, but she knew that with a shot of potassium chloride you could eliminate one or more.

Having felt physically fine up to this point, I got on the subway afterward, and all of a sudden, I felt ill. I didn't want to eat anything. What I was going through seemed like a very unnatural experience. On the subway, Peter asked, ''Shouldn't we consider having triplets?'' And I had this adverse reaction: ''This is why they say it's the woman's choice, because you think I could just carry triplets. That's easy for you to say, but I'd have to give up my life.'' Not only would I have to be on bed rest at 20 weeks, I wouldn't be able to fly after 15. I was already at eight weeks. When I found out about the triplets, I felt like: It's not the back of a pickup at 16, but now I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise. Even in my moments of thinking about having three, I don't think that deep down I was ever considering it.

The specialist called me back at 10 p.m. I had just finished watching a Boston Pops concert at Symphony Hall. As everybody burst into applause, I watched my cellphone vibrating, grabbed it and ran into the lobby. He told me that he does a detailed sonogram before doing a selective reduction to see if one fetus appears to be struggling. The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus. There are a lot more complications when a woman carries multiples. And so, from the doctor's perspective, it's a matter of trying to save the woman this trauma. After I talked to the specialist, I told Peter, ''That's what I'm going to do.'' He replied, ''What we're going to do.'' He respected what I was going through, but at a certain point, he felt that this was a decision we were making. I agreed.

When we saw the specialist, we found out that I was carrying identical twins and a stand alone. My doctors thought the stand alone was three days older. There was something psychologically comforting about that, since I wanted to have just one. Before the procedure, I was focused on relaxing. But Peter was staring at the sonogram screen thinking: Oh, my gosh, there are three heartbeats. I can't believe we're about to make two disappear. The doctor came in, and then Peter was asked to leave. I said, ''Can Peter stay?'' The doctor said no. I know Peter was offended by that.

Two days after the procedure, smells no longer set me off and I no longer wanted to eat nothing but sour-apple gum. I went on to have a pretty seamless pregnancy. But I had a recurring feeling that this was going to come back and haunt me. Was I going to have a stillbirth or miscarry late in my pregnancy?

I had a boy, and everything is fine. But thinking about becoming pregnant again is terrifying. Am I going to have quintuplets? I would do the same thing if I had triplets again, but if I had twins, I would probably have twins. Then again, I don't know.


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To: snowstorm12
I think that you are right that that is what she was talking about--using the odd calculation of starting at the LMP instead of at conception. I was thinking eight weeks of development, which would be Stage 22 on your chart.

To answer your question, "If it doesn't look human to you is abortion and stem cell research okay as long as you get it done before it looks somewhat human?", I would say no, I personally draw the line before that. I'm a bit confused by your question, though, since you seem to suggest that your answer is that it is not OK, but you wrote in your original post that "Once the fetus attains all human being characteristics it qualifies as a human being to me."

421 posted on 07/19/2004 12:29:43 PM PDT by kalt
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To: old and tired

What I don't get is the "boyfriend" of this check must be the most emasculated metrosexual on earth. How she ever coaxed three sperm out of any man is news to me.


422 posted on 07/19/2004 12:44:46 PM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: ThreeYearLurker

I have e-mailed her. You just didn't get far enough into the posts yet!


423 posted on 07/19/2004 12:46:44 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: dennisw

I want to say I don't believe this, but I know it's true. What we see here is what we are seeing over and over again. People killing babies, divorcing, etc. because of their selfish desires. Of course it would not be easy. There are many people with a special needs child that will never be able to support itself or live alone and they don't kill it. Of course, Peter Singer would advocate killing it since he's fine with killing kids up to two years of age.

I'm still reeling from this.


424 posted on 07/19/2004 12:52:09 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Geez, you aren't kidding when you say the enemy of all that is good. How can a soul be so deceived or worse yet, so evil, to suggest such a thing. The problem is enough young women don't hear that vitriol--I know even as a very rebellious young woman, hearing that would have troubled me in to reality or close to it.

That leaves me with no doubt that this woman has probably been asked for her hand in marriage, probably even by the man who fathered her THREE children, but she has flatly refused him. What's sad is deep down she may not even believe it anymore, but keeps up appearances for MONEY and PRESTIGE. That is evident enough from the reasons she easily talked her consience into doing away with two of her children recently.


425 posted on 07/19/2004 12:57:06 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: kalt

Okay what I meant was that a fetus that is viable has all the traits that make it qualify. In my opinion viability is the correct line. Viability is the ability to live outside the womb. Technology that attempts to cheat to act as an artifical womb doesn't change the fact that it isn't viable. Either way 90 something percent of all abortions and stem cell research use embryos. There is no way they come close to qualifying.


426 posted on 07/19/2004 1:26:50 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: snowstorm12

So what stage do you, personally, define viability at?


427 posted on 07/19/2004 2:45:54 PM PDT by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: cpforlife.org

And yet she supports the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. I wonder if that was just to give a public show of support to her husband, or if she's come around.


428 posted on 07/19/2004 3:08:59 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Salman
She should have stayed on the pill.

But it made her moody! I much prefer her sunny, life-loving, post-pill personality! Don't you? </sarcasm>
429 posted on 07/19/2004 3:13:50 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Marie Antoinette
And what's wrong with big jars of mayo anyway? I have 5 big jars in my pantry right now. Great for sandwiches, potato salad, and creamy salad dressing.

And, who knows? Maybe one, two, or three of the kids wouldn't have liked mayo anyway. I know I don't. I guess we'll never know if two of them would or not.
430 posted on 07/19/2004 3:51:32 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
The ho even has an "Ask Amy" website so she can dispense her child sacrificing evil to the unsuspecting masses.

A few years ago, somebody posted quotes from a feminist/abortion site here. The women were boasting about the abortions they had and making dead baby jokes. One of them even laughed and said something like, "I wonder what the anti-choicers would say if they read what we're saying! LOL!" Wonderful human beings.
431 posted on 07/19/2004 3:54:33 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: litany_of_lies

Rush read this article today, so it'll be preserved in his transcript archives.


432 posted on 07/19/2004 3:57:27 PM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: DameAutour
How far should a reasonable person go to avoid giant jars of mayonnaise?

LMAO. I hope she responds.

433 posted on 07/19/2004 4:21:57 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Better late than never - PING.

This article exposes the heart and soul of choice.
IMO--The authors are trying to persuade readers to their way of thinking. Teach by example.

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

434 posted on 07/19/2004 5:24:05 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, the father of lies and a MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Thanks for the ping. I saw the article earlier and it just made me ill. She cheerfully killed her twins and thinks the rest of us will be just as happy about that as she.


435 posted on 07/19/2004 5:28:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Rastus

Wow-didn't get a chance to listen. Will check out.


436 posted on 07/19/2004 5:30:08 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Oh my.

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

437 posted on 07/19/2004 5:53:17 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I define viability as the ability to live outside the womb without breathing tubes and extensive medical equipment to act as artificial womb. I'm not sure exactly how many weeks that is. The ability to keep it's own body alive proves it graduated from fetus to human being.


438 posted on 07/19/2004 6:20:23 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: New Perspective

My wife, daughter of the NARAL-supporting in-laws I mentioned, was repelled by this article. That says something significant about the impact that this article may have on the abortion debate in favor of the unborn.

Even the illustration at the top of the article was evocotive.


439 posted on 07/19/2004 7:26:43 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yeah, since according to Andrea Dworkin, all sex with men is "rape," right?


440 posted on 07/19/2004 7:28:33 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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