Can the Christian University Thrive?: Baylor 2012

BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | July 20, 2004 | Charles Colson

[Mr. Silverback]

Four years ago, Baylor University announced what it called “Baylor 2012.” Its goal is to “propel [Baylor] into the ranks of the nation’s top tier colleges and universities,” while retaining and even strengthening Baylor’s Christian identity.

The most important factors in becoming a “top tier” college or university are the faculty and the students. To that end, Baylor has committed itself to recruiting faculty “capable of achieving the best of scholarship, both in teaching and research.”

More important, new faculty members must “embrace the Christian faith” and be “knowledgeable of the Christian intellectual tradition.” The goal is “to exemplify the integration of faith and learning.” A symbol of this commitment was Baylor’s hiring a first-rank scholar, Dr. Thomas Hibbs, as the head of the Honors College.

Hibbs, the former head of the Philosophy Department at Boston College, is a prominent Catholic philosopher whose specialty is the Medieval period—an age that best exemplified the kind of learning Baylor is striving for.

Expectations for students are no less demanding. They’re expected to combine “high academic merit” and “Christian character.”

A “nationally ranked research university” with an “unapologetically Christian worldview” is the way that Baylor President Robert Sloan sums up his vision. At first blush, it’s hard to imagine anyone objecting to that, but it has prompted a lot of criticism. Some of the criticism is over the cost, and it will certainly be expensive to achieve Sloan’s goals.

But far more troubling is the criticism of the vision itself. Some suggest that “top tier” scholarship and an “unapologetically Christian worldview” are mutually exclusive.

Some faculty members also have characterized Sloan’s emphasis on Christian learning and preserving Baylor’s Christian identity as part of a “fundamentalist” takeover of the school. As columnist Rod Dreher of the Dallas Morning News has written, this accusation is laughable.

Some of the most visible additions to the faculty, like Hibbs and his former Boston Collegecolleague Rob Miner, are Catholics. When Sloan speaks of the Christian intellectual tradition, his understanding of that term is broad.

As Miner told Dreher, “Many people at Baylor are more receptive to hearing and learning from the voices of Augustine, Anselm, and Aquinas” than those back at Boston College. This is not what you would expect from a “fundamentalist” takeover.

The real issue at Baylor is whether the price of academic respectability is the surrender of Christian identity. Is it true that “smart people outgrow God,” as secular critics insist? Or can Baylor provide an alternative, namely, a university that, in Dreher’s words, “can speak to the broader culture from an intellectually sound but morally distinct vantage point”?

That’s why every thinking Christian, Baptist or non-Baptist, has a stake in the debate over Baylor’s future. The alternative to the worldviews that dominate our culture must come from schools like the one envisioned by Sloan: where faculty and students can come together to show that faith and reason not only go together, but are inseparable.

[I-53]

I would not necessarily agree with you that opinions generally have substance. Sometimes they don't; for instance, the opinion that whenever one disagrees with a statement, one must immediately point out the "newbiness" of the author, thereby ending the possibility of further substantive discussion.

Enjoy the booster club!

[Mr. Silverback]

Chill out.

It wasn't a criticism; it was an observation.

Get up, Liston, I ain't through with you yet.

An observation is when you point something out. When a mother is proud that her child will go to Baylor, "Why oh why" is not an observation. In fact, "why oh why" is not an observation at all, but a question, a loaded one in my opinion. And my opinion on that is an opinion with substance: I can still hear my Basic Training Instructor prefacing his pointed questions with "Why, oh why..." just as clearly as if he were stnding here.

When you say that Baylor will eat itself alive, that's not an observation, it is a criticism (and I'm probably using that word too loosely) that is devoid of observation. You have not provided any backup for your assessment since.

Then I asked you to back up your stuff, and you didn't. Others asked you to back up your stuff, and you babbled at them like an idiot. It looks like you're out of your depth and/or full of crap, so...

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...if I were you, I'd hit the silk before those flames get to the main fuel tank.

[Mr. Silverback]

I'm not sure if they teach that, but let's assume they do. How horrible if a Christian university had the same view on this issue as Jesus did.

[I-53]

Why don't you actually read the article? Come back to class when you've done your homework.

[Ol' Sox]

for instance, the opinion that whenever one disagrees with a statement, one must immediately point out the "newbiness" of the author, thereby ending the possibility of further substantive discussion

Oh pfooey. Negative statements of no substance by shoobies are usually troll scat. As a courtesy to others, we point this out so they may avoid stepping in it.

[maestro]

" .......professing classical Christians, but certainly not fundamentalists. LOL Is that possible? Let's see: The list of "Fundamentals" from which fundamentalism draws it's name are, if I recall correctly: Belief in God, Belief in the Trinity. Belief in the Virgin Birth. Belief in the Crucifixion and Ressurrcetion Belief in Final Judgement, Heaven and hell. ...that's about it,

LOL,.......LOL,......'That' is NOT about it!

All of the 'above' is 'meaningless' without the #1 item!

#1 is the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY of the HOLY SCRIPTURES (Bible!)

[I-53]

Negative statements of no substance...

Read the article.

[Nataku X]

Baylor is accredited. I know of no accredited university that teaches YEC. I went to an accredited Christian university like Baylor and if anything they put greater emphasis on an old earth because so many students came in as YEC.

[Mr. Silverback]

I actually did read the article before I posted it. Neat trick, huh?

There is nothing in the article that supports your criticisms. If your evidence is the one line about "some faculty memebers" getting a burr under their saddle, your case is as weak as a kitten.

Either back your assertions up or lay on the canvas for the ten count, Sonny.

[Mr. Silverback]

On a lighter, slightly OT note, do they also have a plan to improve in Big 12 athletics?

Well, they could recruit Silverback Jr. for their basketball team. I expect he'll top out at about 6'5"...

[cowgirlcutie]

I have been reading I-53's "opinions" on Baylor, this afternoon. It seems to me that "I-53" is amazed at the jumbled vibrations going on in his head that he mistakes for thought processes, and at the blah-blah noise coming out of his mouth that he mistakes for "opinions". We should just pat I-53 on the head and say, "Run along now." LOL

[Mr. Silverback]

LOL!

[Swanks]

A couple of the best religion professors at Wake Forest (from my time there in the 1970's) have moved to Baylor - both top-flight academics and professing classical Christians, but certainly not fundamentalists

Baylor is almost as removed from a Christian view as Wake Forest is from Southeastern Seminary (origional WFU campus); about 100 miles and 100 years. My pastor's btother was up for the Chancellor's job years ago and could not get it because his brother was too conservative.

They will be as Christian as Harvard is from its roots today. Hey! I'm WFU; a Double-Deacon from Wake MBA.

[I-53]

Ever see "The Poseidon Adventure?"

[newfarm4000n]

Baylor is accredited. I know of no accredited university that teaches YEC. I went to an accredited Christian university like Baylor and if anything they put greater emphasis on an old earth because so many students came in as YEC.


I think you are confusing "official materials" taught in class with the "deprogramming" that is done in bible study. I think the greatest tragedy would be if bright young Christians aren't allowed to understand modern science and destroy the atheist image it has. I really view the YEC as second only to Islam in destroying our great Christian society.

[newfarm4000n]

I'm not sure if they teach that, but let's assume they do. How horrible if a Christian university had the same view on this issue as Jesus did.


I would really like to debate this with you but i feel we are in the wrong page. I think its a shame that evolution-Old earth Vs YEC tends only to be debated by Christian hating scientists and YEC Christians and the large numbers of Christians who believe in both the bible and modern science feel disenfranchised.

[I-53]

Either back your assertions up or lay on the canvas for the ten count, Sonny.

Lay what? The correct word for recline in the present tense is "lie."

MEOW

[Mr. Silverback]

So...I ask you to back up your assertions and you provide an esoteric grammar edit. Uh-huh.

Kaboom!

That was the sound of the flames on your tail reaching the main fuel tank. Sorry, thanks for playing, and my squadron buddies promise to wait a respectful 3 days or so before they start dating your widow.

[cyborg]

I've read this thread and am curious to know if you have an actual observation about Baylor good or bad.

[I-53]

I don't play with people who don't play nice. Get it? My statement was fully supported by the article. It was my analysis of the situation based on what was stated in the article. If you don't get it, that's not my problem. Why aren't you going after the poster who said Baylor was lacking in Christian character? You don't play fair. That is why I don't take orders from you. Now leave me alone and stop the personal attacks.