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Sperm donor must pay child support
CNN ^ | 7/23/04 | AP

Posted on 07/25/2004 11:05:59 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows

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To: A CA Guy
It does not follow that just because she is a single mother that state support would be required.

Is there something in the article that I missed?

41 posted on 07/25/2004 11:45:36 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew" Keeper of the thread killing Mr.Ducky RKBA)
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To: Slings and Arrows
You left out a few details.

Ferguson and McKiernan met while working together and had a two-year affair. The relationship waned by late 1993, when Ferguson convinced McKiernan to act as a sperm donor with no responsibility for any child born as a result, the opinion said.

There was probably nothing "artificial" about this insemination. The Courts probably viewed it that way. I would be surprised if the woman had been artificially inseminated at a sperm bank that the courts would have reacted the way they did.

From my limited legal knowledge there are laws in some places against contracting for acts of sex (i.e. marriage contracts can not specify the frequency of sex and still be valid). This contract could have been just found null and void due to some technicality and therefore the court just found that the guy fathered the children.

In short, I think that some of the details have been left out of the news article so that it gets more attension.

42 posted on 07/25/2004 11:50:40 AM PDT by Robert357
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To: Joe 6-pack

Actually, that's Samuel B. Goldwyn's line, but it does sound Yogi-ish, doesn't it? (g!)


43 posted on 07/25/2004 11:50:44 AM PDT by SAJ (Buy 1 NGH05 7.50 call, Sell 3 NGH05 11.00 calls against, for $800-1000 net credit OB. Stone lock.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

If courts let any biological parent off the hook, then the government/public have to provide the benefits of support if the single parent's life goes the poverty route and the courts are looking ahead to what could happen and that brings this decision.

Think of it this way. Mom gets a sperm donor and the donor is absolved of responsibility. The mother hits a bad patch and now needs support and can't go to the father in this case. Means we the public are going to give money away based on a private contract? I don't think so.

The courtd here say that if there is a biological parent to tap, let them be tapped.

There must have been an established need, or why award monies?

It's logical.


44 posted on 07/25/2004 11:53:27 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bikepacker67

You have such wonderful qualities. You miss out on her dancing on your grave in a red party dress I guess! LOL


45 posted on 07/25/2004 11:55:15 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: REAGANBELONGS TO THE AGES

They have their own life. Your spouse shares yours!

It's an OK choice to be alone, but don't fool yourself, you may die alone and as long as you don't mind dying that way, thereisn't an issue.
Some people are not meant to be married anyway.


46 posted on 07/25/2004 11:58:05 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Some people are not meant to be married anyway.

Ya... at least 50% of the ones that try it.

47 posted on 07/25/2004 12:04:06 PM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: A CA Guy
Sure but the same thing can be said if a married couple goes the poverty route.

The court can not see the future and it should not pretend that it can. If this is what it is basing it's ruling on then it is basing it on the wrong thing.

Let us look at another legal contract involving children, adoption. Should the biological parents (male and female) be tapped for child support if the adoptive family hits a bad patch?

My agreement with the court in this case has to do with the fact that based on what is presented in the article the claim of a verbal agreement is dubious at best. I do not believe that child support should be required if there is a legal written agreement that the custodial parent will not seek it and the non custodial parent's rights are terminated.

48 posted on 07/25/2004 12:05:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew" Keeper of the thread killing Mr.Ducky RKBA)
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To: Robert357

Actually, CNN is on the mandatory excerpting list. No selective ommission, just forum rules.


49 posted on 07/25/2004 12:06:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

"I now take this spermatoza as my lawful wedded husband."


50 posted on 07/25/2004 12:06:55 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Paleo Conservative
From the comments of the judges, it sounds like they might have ruled this way whether or not there was a signed contract. It does appear as if the sperm donor had a verbal contract which the egg receptacle later denied.

He said she said.

51 posted on 07/25/2004 12:09:45 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Balto_Boy
"I have no problem with this. The child support is for the children, and they never agreed to grant the father an exemption."

Right. Then grow a brain, come back, and try again.

..and don't EVER say "for the children" on this Forum again, damn it.

52 posted on 07/25/2004 12:10:26 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Slings and Arrows
No selective ommission

I now understand, but what a great straight line!

53 posted on 07/25/2004 12:11:39 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: bikepacker67

That is because of the modern state of our culture. I had lots of family that died married to their first spouse. My grandparents put up with each other for 72 years and welcomed becoming deaf I think! LOL


54 posted on 07/25/2004 12:14:23 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Robert357
No selective ommission

I now understand, but what a great straight line!

Snappy Answer #1: That's "om," not "em."

Snappy Answer #2: It was more of a parabola, unless he was aiming straight down.

55 posted on 07/25/2004 12:15:50 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The issue is that they tap both parents first before going to the government.
If both parents are on the skids we have temporary safety nets, yep.

That is different than having a parent out there that may have ability to pay and having them go free without obligation.

Best to donate anonymously if at all.


56 posted on 07/25/2004 12:20:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Balto_Boy
The child support is for the children, and they never agreed to grant the father an exemption

I think I have to agree with you on this one.

57 posted on 07/25/2004 1:21:41 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: Slings and Arrows

Aim small, miss small.


58 posted on 07/25/2004 1:25:08 PM PDT by asgardshill ("I like the yellow ones")
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To: A CA Guy
That is different than having a parent out there that may have ability to pay and having them go free without obligation.

And yet as this transfers into adoption how would you view it?

Say it was an open adoption where the biological parents and the adoptive parents knew each other. If the adoptive parents hit a rough patch or if they died or divorced should the biological parents be forced to pay child support?

If not then how is it different then a case where a child is living with one biological parent and has an agreement where by the other noncustodial biological parent's rights have been severed in exchange for the custodial parents not requesting child support?

In cases where a person has voluntarily surrendered parental rights as part of a agreement should they be forced to take them up again simply because the other party changed their mind?

I think this would be kind of a dangerous president to set. Courts and laws should be consistent and if they take this path there are numerous places where that consistency could be destructive.

Best to donate anonymously if at all.

Ain't that the truth!

59 posted on 07/25/2004 2:08:41 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ense et aratro! "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew" Keeper of the thread killing Mr.Ducky RKBA)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

In adoption, two people usually adopt or one in some cases with an abandoned child.

In the case of a sperm donor, they knew the result would not be a pizza, so they have some responsibly.


60 posted on 07/25/2004 2:12:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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