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The Elian Factor [American Film Institute bans Elian documentary as too controversial, shows F 9/11]
Laurence Jarvik Online ^ | July 25, 2004 | Laurence Jarvik

Posted on 07/25/2004 11:45:31 AM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: Nachum
There has to be some film distributors for this film.

I'm sure Mel Gibson could offer a few pointers.

21 posted on 07/25/2004 1:32:08 PM PDT by mombonn (¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)
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To: jocko12

It's time to start calling and emailing theaters demanding to know when they are going to show this flick..


22 posted on 07/25/2004 1:53:58 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Kerry/Edwards. A pig in a dress is still a pig.)
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To: First_Salute
In my overly exhausted state, I think this passage is appropriate here. If I am just delerious in my exhaustion, forgive me. [link] (turn up the volume)

ST. (SIR) THOMAS MORE (A Man for All Seasons):

Thomas More was an extremely learned, successful, and wealthy lawyer (Barrister) who, during the reign of King Henry the VIII, rose to the enviable and powerful position of Lord High Chancellor of England.

Unfortunately, however, after King Henry the VIII broke from the pope, appointed himself Head of the Church of England and then appointed himself a bishop who granted him a divorce from his first wife, More fell into disfavor with the King. This occurred partly as a result of Moore's refusal to swear an oath (The Supremacy Act) affirming the King of England as Supreme to all other authority and thus giving his implicit approval to the King's subsequent marriage to his second wife, Anne Boleyn. More could not bring himself to swear an oath to that which to his conscience was wrong - not even to save his position, career or life. As a result of his refusal to take the oath, he was tried for treason, convicted and then beheaded. More's conviction was based upon the perjured testimony of the King's Solicitor General, Sir Richard Rich. Years later, More was knighted, posthumously, by the English Government and canonized by the Catholic Church which also designated him one of the two patron saints of lawyers.

Within a year of More's execution, King Henry the VIII had his second wife beheaded and then went on to marry four (4) additional times. As a reward for his perjured testimony, King Henry VIII made Sir Richard Rich a Duke and subsequently appointed him Lord High Chancellor of England. Rich went on to live a long and prosperous life.

The following is an excerpt of a dialogue among More, his daughter and her suitor, William Roper, as set forth in Robert Bolt's two-act play, A Man For All Seasons. In this play, Bolt had hoped in part to contrast the seriousness which More in the 16th Century attached to the swearing of an oath as compared with the insignificance attached to such an event in modern times - then 1962.

More     There is no law against that.

Roper    There is! God's law!

More     Then God can arrest him.

Roper    Sophistication upon sophistication.

More     No, sheer simplicity.  The law, Roper, the law.  I know what's legal not what's right.  And I'll stick to what's legal.

Roper    Then you set man's law above God's!

More     No, far below;  but let me draw your attention to a fact - I'm not God. The currents and eddies of right and wrong, which you find such plain sailing, I can't navigate. I'm no voyager. But in the thickets of the law, oh, there I'm a forrester. I doubt if there's a man alive who could follow me there, thank God....

Alice     While you talk, he's gone!

More     And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law!

Roper    So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More     Yes.  What would you do?  Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper    I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More     Oh?  And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you - where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast - man's laws, not God's - and if you cut them down - and you're just the man to do it - d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes,  I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

Roper    I have long suspected this, this is the golden calf; the law's your god!

More     Oh, Roper, you're a fool, God's my god....But I find him rather too subtle....I don't know where He is or what He wants.

Roper    My God wants service, to the end and unremitting; nothing else!

More     Are you sure that's God?  He sounds like Moloch.  But indeed it may be God - And whoever hunts for me, Roper, God or Devil, will find me hiding in the thickets of the law!  And I'll hide my daughter with me!  Not hoist her up the mainmast of your seagoing principles!  They put about too nimbly!


23 posted on 07/25/2004 5:24:51 PM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: snopercod
Thanks for the Thomas Moore review; I have to say, "I did not know that."

As you know, my view on the rule of law, its value to us, is that it chiefly offers us a toolbox with which to limit government, peacefully.

That works as long as the laws are made via the democratic-republican process, but that does not work when, for public consumption, superficial "no-fat laws" satisfying the politics of the moment and situational ethics, are made by judges acting as a government of minority rule, by minority rule, for minority rule (or any combination thereof).

I do believe that the law must be flexible, except where the law is required to bar bad government. There, we must have the toughest enforcement on all occasions, because it is only you and me, neighbor, who keep us from the most powerful man-made thing on earth, when it goes wrong.

If we are to do that peacefully, we cannot let bad government use "touchy feely" situations as a cover for its testing its cage by breaking the law.

Because, when it is breaking the law, government is also damaging the boundaries set by the people in order to keep us safe from government. That damage is not so easily seen by the public, though some experience with failure analysis, as the Founding Fathers had, teaches that there is damage.

Damage caused by the Clinton Administration, that went unnoticed upon Elian's departure.

Government breaking a law is exponentially worse than all other law breaking.

"Government regulations" should mean more about the people regulating government, than government regulating the people.

24 posted on 07/25/2004 8:30:09 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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