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Federal Court OKs Ban on Sale of Sex Toys (Ruling there is no right to sexual privacy.)
Yahoo News/AP ^ | July 28, 2004 | JAY REEVES

Posted on 07/28/2004 11:36:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - A federal appeals court Wednesday upheld a 1998 Alabama law banning the sale of sex toys in the state, ruling the Constitution doesn't include a right to sexual privacy.

In a 2-1 decision overturning a lower court, a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) said the state has a right to police the sale of devices that can be sexually stimulating.

The American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which represented merchants and users who sued to overturn the law, asked the appeals court to rule that the Constitution included a right to sexual privacy that the ban on sex toy sales would violate. The court declined, indicating such a decision could lead down other paths.

"If the people of Alabama in time decide that a prohibition on sex toys is misguided, or ineffective, or just plain silly, they can repeal the law and be finished with the matter," the court said.

"On the other hand, if we today craft a new fundamental right by which to invalidate the law, we would be bound to give that right full force and effect in all future cases including, for example, those involving adult incest, prostitution, obscenity, and the like."

Attorney General Troy King said the court "has done its duty" in upholding the law.

Sherri Williams, an adult novelty retailer who filed the lawsuit with seven other women and two men, called the decision "depressing."

"I'm just very disappointed that courts feel Alabamians don't have the right to purchase adult toys. It's just ludicrous," said Williams, who lives in Florida and owns Pleasures stores in Huntsville and Decatur. "I intend to pursue this."

U.S. District Judge Lynwood Smith Jr. of Huntsville has twice ruled against the state law, deciding in 2002 that the sex toy ban violated the constitutional right to privacy. The state appealed both times and won.

The state law bans only the sale of sex toys, not their possession, the court said, and it doesn't regulate other items including condoms or virility drugs. "The Alabama statute proscribes a relatively narrow bandwidth of activity," U.S. Circuit Judge Stanley F. Birch Jr. wrote.

Circuit Judge Rosemary Barkett disagreed, saying the decision was based on the "erroneous foundation" that adults don't have a right to consensual sexual intimacy and that private acts can be made a crime in the name of promoting "public morality."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: privacy
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To: goldstategop
That's the argument in Lawrence that everyone fails to understand. The Lawrence decision was based on the fact that Texas law did not make sodomy illegal, it was perfectly legal to sodomize your wife, or for your wife to sodomize you for that matter under Texas law, but made sodomy illegal for specific pairings of citizens based on their gender.

Imagine a law that says that armed robbery is only illegal if the perp is a male.

Alabama on the other hand, made sex toys illegal for everyone, they did not say that sex toys are illegal for same-sex couples to use, but OK for opposite sex couples. The law should stand.

101 posted on 07/29/2004 5:49:31 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Not reading ahead in the thread...

But let's see how many people say, "let's leave it up to the states."

But that's exactly what the court did.

102 posted on 07/29/2004 5:50:36 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: FairOpinion
In a 2-1 decision overturning a lower court, a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) said the state has a right to police the sale of devices that can be sexually stimulating.

Congratulations to the good court from Alabama. At least there are some courts that understand the natural law.

103 posted on 07/29/2004 5:51:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: FairOpinion
So then, is thios item legal, or illegal to sell in Alabama?


104 posted on 07/29/2004 5:54:26 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Pondman88
We sent most of 'em to Baaahston for the Convention, but we'll do what we can with the ones that are left.

Sheesh. I love my home state, but sometimes we go a bit over the edge.

105 posted on 07/29/2004 6:05:34 AM PDT by TheBigB (Wipe out the leftists once and for all...RUMSFELD/ASHCROFT '08!!)
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To: FairOpinion
(Ruling there is no right to sexual privacy.)

Could you explain the statement in the headline?

106 posted on 07/29/2004 7:11:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: FairOpinion
In a 2-1 decision overturning a lower court, a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) said the state has a right to police the sale of devices that can be sexually stimulating.

Does this also regulate devices bought over the internet?

107 posted on 07/29/2004 7:12:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: FairOpinion
The states are not supposed to take away rights guaranteed to us under the US Constitution.

Which part of the constitution guarantees you the right to sell sex toys?

108 posted on 07/29/2004 7:14:53 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Luis Gonzalez
but made sodomy MARRIAGE illegal for specific pairings of citizens based on their gender.
109 posted on 07/29/2004 7:18:16 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

No, that's not what Texas law did.


110 posted on 07/29/2004 7:37:16 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: cinFLA
Which part of the Constitution guarantees you the right to sell anything at all?

Does that then mean that we don't have the right to sell things?
111 posted on 07/29/2004 7:39:58 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: flashbunny
Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people

Violations of the Ninth amendment are prohibited to the states. Therefore, the question is whether a given right (in this case, selling a legal item, which I'd argue is a fundamental part of property ownership) falls among the non-enumerated rights.

112 posted on 07/29/2004 7:40:16 AM PDT by Sloth (We have to support RINOs like Specter; their states are too liberal to elect someone like Santorum.)
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To: cinFLA

By the way, that argument falls flat on me, I believe that the government has no place conducting marriages at all.


113 posted on 07/29/2004 7:41:16 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: FairOpinion
By the same logic, tomorrow the state can prohibit the sale of tobacco, or anything else, it deems "inappropriate" for any reason.

Well, of course, they can. What do you think legislation is all about? It's about people passing laws they think are appropriate.
114 posted on 07/29/2004 7:44:46 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
By the way, that argument falls flat on me, I believe that the government has no place conducting marriages at all.

Why do the states have no right to conduct marriages?

115 posted on 07/29/2004 7:45:39 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Looks like legislation from the Bench!

No, Ernest, (unless you're just being sarcastic) it's when a court overturns legislation or when a court issues an edict that has the force of law that a court is said to be legislating from the bench. In this case, however, the court upheld legislation by the state legislature.
116 posted on 07/29/2004 7:47:37 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: goldstategop

Goldstategop,
Are you sure there's no right to privacy in the constitution? Here's what I'm thinking...the reason for the Bill of Rights was to lay out the minimum rights; and even then, there was strong disagreement about including the BillOR lest our rights be limited to those enumerated. My understanding- and correct me if I'm wrong- is that ALL rights were reserved to the people that were not expressly forbidden, and that the Bill O.R. was simply a bare bones enumeration of SOME of those rights.
Mind you, I abhor Roe V Wade. But I have rethought lately the whole right to privacy issue. Of course, you do not have a right to privacy to commit murder or any other crime, which thus precludes killing unborn babies.
What thinkest thou?


117 posted on 07/29/2004 7:49:24 AM PDT by MotherofTen
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To: L.N. Smithee
If you really have to have a sex toy, you can get it out of state. The law just bans the sale not possession. And you can probably get it on-line, and not pay state taxes.

And further more, if the people of Alabama decide that they don't want to see sex shops on every corner, thats up to them. Then if you need sex toys and porn, get a computer, and do it in the privacy of your own home.

118 posted on 07/29/2004 7:50:07 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: cinFLA

They don't either.

They can conduct a civil ceremony as a magistrate, but Holy Matrimony, (which IS what we are discussing here, isn't it) is a ceremony that only the clergy can conduct.


119 posted on 07/29/2004 7:50:25 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Could you explain the statement in the headline?

It's called 'inciting the choir'.

120 posted on 07/29/2004 7:53:00 AM PDT by cinFLA
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