[DoughtyOne]

>>>I think you said it all when you used this word, "Rhetoric".

Isn't that part of the gamesmanship of American politics? Sure it is. Look at John Kerry's speech from the other night. For a liberal, it was great rhetoric. From a conservative perspective, it was short on substance and woefully inadequate.

What Tom McClintock actually offered was an analysis of the current state of affairs of California's fiscal and economic conditions, based on his years of experience in the state government. Give the guy some credit.

Not much happens in a vacuum in Sacramento.  I think Tom knew the commission was going to release it's report.  I think he knew it would most certianly include significant cuts.  That leaves me with the impression that Tom wanted to get a final speach of admonission in before the commission's report became public.  I know his supporters liked what he said, and taken alone I probably would too, but it's simply disengenuous to think they were uttered in a vacuum.  Therefore those comments leave me thinking Tom was just grandstanding one more time.

>>>If you guys want to pull for his failure, do it without me.

I've never said anything about having a desire to see Arnold fail and you know it. I'm not being inflammatory. In fact, I'm being very nice. So don't look for trouble.

I appreciate the McClintock supporters thinking we're the children who need to be corrected, but your condescending tone here is both offensive and typical.

As for what you have personally said about Schwarzenegger, whether he is successful or not, please link me to your comments praising him for his actions, any actions.  Perhaps you can and I'll reconsider my comment, otherwise I'll just let what I said stand.

Here's high Reagan rhetoric from a true believer:

First of all, true believer's of Ronald Reagan do not take every opportunity to allienate others.  Reagan was elected with significant help from Reagan Democrats.  He DID NOT allienate his own party members.  You and other McClintock supporters on this forum throw a hissy fit on every thread that addresses him or his efforts.  When folks come in to ask you to wait and see, or perhaps give the guy a little credit, you trash them.  In this response you infer I was not a 'true believer" in Ronald Reagan, but also state you are not being inflammatory or looking for trouble.  Sadly, you folks just don't see yourselves as you truly are.

I guess this next comment was thrown in for comic relief.  It's common knowledge that Schwarzenegger's commission is going to release it's findings within a few days, and that the report will recommend significant cuts.

" As I have repeatedly warned – YOU CANNOT PAY FOR SOCIALLY LIBERAL PROGRAMS WITH FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE POLICIES. You cannot be both things. IT DOESN’T BALANCE. Fiscal conservatism means not only restraining taxes but restraining spending."

As difficult as it is for you folks, you're still going to have to wait and see what is proposed.  All these comments about the need for cuts are pointless until we know.

>>>I think you said it all when you used this word, "Rhetoric".

Isn't that part of the gamesmanship of American politics? Sure it is. Look at John Kerry's speech from the other night. For a liberal, it was great rhetoric. From a conservative perspective, it was short on substance and woefully inadequate.

What Tom McClintock actually offered was an analysis of the current state of affairs of California's fiscal and economic conditions, based on his years of experience in the state government. Give the guy some credit.

Not much happens in a vacuum in Sacramento.  I think Tom knew the commission was going to release it's report.  I think he knew it would most certianly include significant cuts.  That leaves me with the impression that Tom wanted to get a final speach of admonission in before the commission's report became public.  I know his supporters liked what he said, and taken alone I probably would too, but it's simply disengenuous to think they were uttered in a vacuum.  Therefore those comments leave me thinking Tom was just grandstanding one more time.

>>>If you guys want to pull for his failure, do it without me.

I've never said anything about having a desire to see Arnold fail and you know it. I'm not being inflammatory. In fact, I'm being very nice. So don't look for trouble.

I appreciate the McClintock supporters thinking we're the children who need to be corrected, but your condescending tone here is both offensive and typical.

As for what you have personally said about Schwarzenegger, whether he is successful or not, please link me to your comments praising him for his actions, any actions.  Perhaps you can and I'll reconsider my comment, otherwise I'll just let what I said stand.

Here's high Reagan rhetoric from a true believer:

First of all, true believer's of Ronald Reagan do not take every opportunity to allienate others.  Reagan was elected with significant help from Reagan Democrats.  He DID NOT allienate his own party members.  You and other McClintock supporters on this forum throw a hissy fit on every thread that addresses him or his efforts.  When folks come in to ask you to wait and see, or perhaps give the guy a little credit, you trash them.  In this response you infer I was not a 'true believer" in Ronald Reagan, but also state you are not being inflammatory or looking for trouble.  Sadly, you folks just don't see yourselves as you truly are.

I guess this next comment was thrown in for comic relief.  It's common knowledge that Schwarzenegger's commission is going to release it's findings within a few days, and that the report will recommend significant cuts.

" As I have repeatedly warned – YOU CANNOT PAY FOR SOCIALLY LIBERAL PROGRAMS WITH FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE POLICIES. You cannot be both things. IT DOESN’T BALANCE. Fiscal conservatism means not only restraining taxes but restraining spending."

As difficult as it is for you folks, you're still going to have to wait and see what is proposed.  All these comments about the need for cuts are pointless until we know.

[Reagan Man]

>>>.... your condescending tone here is both offensive and typical.

There you go again. I was neither offensive nor condescending. You're getting thin skinned.

>>>As for what you have personally said about Schwarzenegger, whether he is successful or not, please link me to your comments praising him for his actions, any actions. Perhaps you can and I'll reconsider my comment, otherwise I'll just let what I said stand.

First off, you're talking apples and oranges. You know I never supported Arnold. I supported McClintock. And I have no intention of employing your standards either. If Arnold does something worthy of praise, he'll get kudos from me. I repeat. Never said I wanted to see Arnold fail in his efforts and you have no evidence to the contrary. So far, Arnold has worked on the political margins as Governor. Just what I expected from him. If he takes until 2006 to straighten things out, that is way beyond the time frame he basically indicated and should be unacceptable to all Californians.

McClintock made some important statements in his speech. He point out the truth about the current state of affairs in California. It's clear, you don't like hearing the truth from McClintock or anyone else.

Less than three months ago, on May 1st, the total amount of state general fund supported debt (this includes all the bond issues) was $33 billion. By the end of this budget year, that debt will have grown to nearly $51 billion. That is a 54 percent increase in debt in a mere 14 months. Borrowing by this state is now completely out of control.

Here is what we have:

*A significantly larger general fund deficit than last year.
*Spending growth that is actually accelerating compared to the past five years
*Spending that continues to grow faster than revenues and much faster than inflation and population.
*Total general fund-supported debt up 54 percent in just 14 months.

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>>>First of all, true believer's of Ronald Reagan do not take every opportunity to allienate others.

Alienate! LOL Sorry bucko. I'm not playing your silly game this time. I'm onto you. You want to have it both ways and you want to have it all. On occasion you may knock Arnold, so you can say, I've been critical of him. On rare occasion, you show a certain support for Tom McClintock, so you can say, you're not always critical of him. Most of the time, you denounce anyone who utters any criticism of Arnold and most of the time, you denounce and degrade Tom McClintock and those who agree with his conservative agenda and political rhetoric.

In addition, you continually overlook what GovRino intends on doing, should he ever get the budget balanced and into the black. I repeat. Arnold intends on fully funding California's welfare entitlement programs. Again, this isn't the sign of a fiscal conservative.