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REPUBLICANS PLAN PUSH FOR ELIMINATION OF IRS
The Drudge Report ^ | 8/1/04 | Drudge

Posted on 08/01/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by NeoCaveman

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To: dubyaismypresident; All

All tax systems require reporting, collection and enforcement. Eliminate IRS? Sure, but replace it with some other organization doing the same thing.


141 posted on 08/01/2004 7:19:18 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Remember_Salamis

That's a terrific idea on the tax side, and I am all for it. I'm not sure, however, that it qualifies as a spending cut. The Government will either find ways to exempt itself, or if all else fails print more money for itself. Spending cuts have to be specific and significant.


142 posted on 08/01/2004 7:19:32 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleBoy
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To: CloudyI

The main reason being that everyone pays taxes (the drug dealers, the prostitutes, those that perform work under the table, they guy that runs the car wash, etc.). ---Not just the honest people that have a job and actually file taxes.



Agreed. let the hookers and drug dealers pay their fair share!


143 posted on 08/01/2004 7:19:54 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: aculeus

You're exaclty right. Without meaningful spending cuts, it will be an empty gesture.


144 posted on 08/01/2004 7:21:11 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleBoy
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To: Geist Krieger

"I saw on a John Stossel special about getting rid of the department dealing with welfare (whatever that's called) and he said something to the effect that those who receive a check only get a few hundred dollars per month, but if they got rid of the department and the employees and the bureaucracy, the savings would allow the Federal government to just write a check to each individual for something like 20 to 40 thousand dollars per year and end their poverty."

-- Exactly. Libertarians and many conservatives have known this for years, but never speak up. I remember Ann Coulter was on Fox News a year ago and was talking about public housing. She stunned her liberal opponent by suggesting that we're better off just giving them ownership of the property! The Lib was dumbfounded, unable to comprehend the fundamental concept of property rights.


145 posted on 08/01/2004 7:21:30 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Darkwolf377

"Aero-Swine traffic at your twelve o'clock, same altitude, two miles and crossing."


146 posted on 08/01/2004 7:23:03 PM PDT by blackdog (Hell is an endless hayfield needing to be raked, baled, and put up.)
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To: CloudyI
so you want a tax increase? and no the drug dealers won't pay a sales tax either. heck a lot of people avoid state and local sales taxes already by simply paying things in cash. I work in retail-I see this happen all the time.
147 posted on 08/01/2004 7:23:29 PM PDT by arielb
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To: SpinyNorman

"I propose a wealth tax on gigolos and their sugar mommas......"

-- that's what the FairTax does! it reduces the tax burden on small business owners and the "new rich" and taxes people like the Kerrys who live off tax-free bond interest all year and don't pay taxes. Why do you think it is that millionares are republicans and billionares are democrats???


148 posted on 08/01/2004 7:23:39 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Drammach

Do everybody a favor and spend 5 min. at http://www.fairtax.org

It's not a VAT, but a National Retail Sales Tax (NRST). It actually compares a NRST to the current system and Dick Armey's Flat Tax. Loads of other info. too.


149 posted on 08/01/2004 7:25:35 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis
...we're better off just giving them ownership of the property...

This is a slippery slope. It does not address the core issue - that people use public housing because they are unable to make a decent wage because they - either directly or indirectly throug the businesses that would employ them - are heavily overtaxed. The band-aid solution of just giving them the housing is a low-cost implementation of a Marxist solution.

Now, I know neither you nor Ann Coulter was actually suggesting this, but ut us the sort of thing that can get taken out of control.

150 posted on 08/01/2004 7:26:04 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleBoy
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To: tinamina

Tell your husband that under the Fair Tax, he will make more money, work shorter hours and have a better home life!

How much do you see him between January and April?

He is trained to help his customers grow their wealth, not avoid paying taxes. Absent the evil tax code, he can spend his valuable billable hours providing advice and counsel to his clients doing just that in a growing and vibrant economy.


151 posted on 08/01/2004 7:26:28 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Happy2BMe

AMEN to that. Some will say look at the unemployment this would cause. I say so what. How many honest Americans have gone to prison because of IRS misactions? More than we will ever know. You, me, and just about every other poster on this forum would love to see the IRS banished to the dark side of Pluto. I back GWB on this one. He also will be getting my vote in November.


152 posted on 08/01/2004 7:26:37 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: NCC-1701

I agree with you. I would also wonder why the FedGov would employ people that can't find jobs anywhere else...


153 posted on 08/01/2004 7:27:48 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleBoy
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To: YankeeDoodleBoy

"How can the Democrats argue with that?
They argue with it because it makes sense and is a conservative idea. The triclk is to make them think it is their idea.

Of course, then the GOP will argue with it because it is a democrat idea...."

-- I've been actively supporting the FairTax Natinoal Retail Sales Tax (NRST) for about a year know, and I've have wondered over this point. I think there's no way that a liberal democrat can argue against a tax that completely eliminates all forms of taxation for those under the poverty line, including Payroll Taxes. If they did, they couldn't play class warfare anymore. My guess is that they'll accept the inevetible, then try to get the rebate raised more and more every year.

go to http://www.fairtax.org


154 posted on 08/01/2004 7:28:43 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: dc-zoo
That should get about 99% of the undecided and 50% of the democrats! What a great idea.

Absolutely! Everyone hates the IRS. Those who hate President Bush would probably hate the IRS even more. This would kill Kerry in a NY minute, if the Republicans adopt this as their platform.

155 posted on 08/01/2004 7:28:43 PM PDT by John123 (Who is cuter, Kerry in a blue bunny suit or the Breck Girl?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"Here is how the president could accomplish this by himself: I make a national speech and tell the people to stop paying income taxes immediately with the promist that he will reign back the IRS and pardon EVERYONE who is arrested for non-paymen then tell them about the positive things that a national sales tax would do. Congress would howl, of course, but they would have to find an alternative source of income quickly, which just so happens to be sitting in committee right now."

-- Now that's power politics!


156 posted on 08/01/2004 7:29:57 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: YankeeDoodleBoy

What spending cuts have the Republicans promoted?

Your question is something of a non-sequitar. We are talking about changing the tax system, not spending cuts. Still, savings will be realized if you can eliminate the IRS and the voluminous tax code, which costs money for the USG to administer and for the taxpayer to submit the required paperwork.

In point of fact, neither party has really made spending cuts in absolute terms but only slowing the rate of growth. The Federal budget grows every year.

157 posted on 08/01/2004 7:30:34 PM PDT by kabar
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To: dubyaismypresident
Holy cow!! If this is true, it would be a stroke of genius, IMHO. The last time the Republicans ran on a "Big Idea" was the Contract with America and we won both houses of Congress with it. On top of which, Sen. Kerry has no ideas to offer. There are even reports that he is not going to reveal his economic package until after he is elected. He has no record to stand on, no new ideas, nothing. Running on a "Big Idea" (even if it is not this one)and sticking to it is the best way to go. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
158 posted on 08/01/2004 7:30:44 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: LouisWu

Nice post -- and I agree with you 100%. My vocation as pastor makes me self-employed for the purposes of Social Security and an employee for the purposes of Federal/State income taxes.

Last year was the first year that I filed under this system after moving from the public sector. I about fell over when I got my prepared tax returns -- all of my student loans that I had planned on paying off before the anticipated date are back on the long-term schedule solely because of the burden of Social Security.

I wouldn't be self-employed if it wasn't necessary to make my living.


159 posted on 08/01/2004 7:31:29 PM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: CGTRWK

Double taxation of savings exists right now, right here in River City!

Who do you think pays the corporate income tax and pays for all the distortions in the economy the income tax causes?

Consumers do!

And this "tax cost of government" is roughly 25% of domestic retail sales prices. For every dollar you spend, whether FRom current income or savings account, you are paying a $.25 "tax."

The Fair Tax eliminates the "Tax cost of government," and will result in a 25% reduction in consumer prices.


160 posted on 08/01/2004 7:32:13 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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