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[3 Bishops Thwack Kerry] Worthy to Receive the Lamb
Archdiocese of Atlanta ^ | August 4, 2004 | bishops

Posted on 08/04/2004 10:28:22 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

Catholics in political life have the responsibility to exemplify in their public service this teaching of the Church, and to work for the protection of all innocent life. There can be no contradiction between the values bestowed by Baptism and the Catholic Faith, and the public expression of those values. Catholic public officials who consistently support abortion on demand are cooperating with evil in a public manner. By supporting pro-abortion legislation they participate in manifest grave sin, a condition which excludes them from admission to Holy Communion as long as they persist in the pro-abortion stance (cf. Canon 915).

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicbackbone; catholicpoliticians; ncbishop; nccatholicchurch; nccatholics
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To: NYer

Please see post 18. Wasn't one of your pings keeping a list as well??


21 posted on 08/04/2004 11:34:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (A penny saved is a government oversight.)
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To: LadyPilgrim
I'm not Roman Catholic, what is Thwack?

It's what the nuns hit us with in parochial grade school, they usually used a ruler. Then if you went to a Catholic high school and you were lucky enough to be taught by the Christian Brothers, they used a paddle about 3 feet long with holes in it(for less wind resistance)... Oh to be Catholic and go to Catholic schools... a privilege I will cherish for the rest of my life. LMAO
22 posted on 08/04/2004 11:47:02 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Notwithstanding

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 08/04/2004 11:53:53 AM PDT by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: LadyPilgrim
If I recall correctly the term was also used in the screen graphics on the Batman television series.
24 posted on 08/04/2004 11:54:53 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Notwithstanding

That's my Bishop(s)!!
(Bishop Baker, Diocese of Charleston, SC)


I am very very glad to see this.


25 posted on 08/04/2004 12:03:55 PM PDT by visualops (We're sorry, all taglines are currently busy. Please hang up and try again later.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Nice!!! Hot damn!!! Or rather the opposite! Jugis gets mad props for this one!


26 posted on 08/04/2004 12:04:45 PM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: A.A. Cunningham; kellynla; ArrogantBustard

Yall are all so cute!!! This is why I love you!


27 posted on 08/04/2004 12:08:32 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: Notwithstanding
"Catholic public officials who consistently support abortion on demand are cooperating with evil in a public manner."
28 posted on 08/04/2004 12:12:13 PM PDT by visualops (We're sorry, all taglines are currently busy. Please hang up and try again later.)
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To: Notwithstanding

CATHOLIC CHURCH OFFICES ,ARCHDIOCESE OF KANSAS CITY IN KANSAS

12615 PARALLEL PARKWAY ,KANSAS CITY, KANSAS 66109
(913) 721 - 1570 FAX (913) 721 - 1577
July 15, 2004
Dear Friends,
The United States Catholic Conference of Bishops in November, 1998 in a statement entitled "Living the Gospel of Life" challenged all American Catholics to take seriously their civic responsibilities. The bishops stated: "We encourage all citizens, particularly Catholics, to embrace their citizenship not merely as a duty and privilege, but as an opportunity meaningfully to participate in building the culture of life. Every voice matters in the public forum. Every vote counts. Every act of citizenship is an exercise of significant individual power. We must exercise that power in ways that defend human life, especially those of God's children who are unborn, disabled or otherwise vulnerable. We get the public officials we deserve. Their virtue -- or lack thereof -- is a judgment not only on them, but us. Because of this, we urge our fellow citizens to see beyond party politics, to analyze campaign rhetoric critically and to choose their political leaders according to principle, not party affiliation or mere self-interest."

As your pastors, we remind you of your responsibility to not only vote but to be a well-informed voter. The Catholic Church in the United States has never endorsed political parties or political candidates. Yet, the Church is obligated to help form properly the consciences of her members. The Church, therefore, must help Catholics understand the ethical dimensions of public policy issues as well as to help Catholics evaluate the moral importance of some issues in comparison to others.

There are many public policy issues with important moral dimensions where Catholics and people of conscience may disagree over specific policies. For example, every Catholic must be concerned about the poor, the welfare of children at risk, or the proper care for the disabled and elderly, but may disagree over which specific public policies best serve these vulnerable individuals. The War in Iraq is a public policy issue with enormous moral importance. Yet, good Catholics can and do disagree whether this war conforms or does not conform to the moral criteria for a just war.

However, there are some issues that are intrinsically evil for which there can be no authentic moral justification of defense. It is always wrong for a Catholic legislator to support public policies that permit or promote such intrinsic evils and similarly a Catholic voter cannot in good conscience vote for candidates who support such public policies.

Legalized abortion and euthanasia cannot be morally justified, because they permit and promote an intrinsic evil -- the killing of innocent human life. Similarly, fetal stem cell research and human cloning can never be morally justified because they involve the killing of innocent human life and manifest a disregard for the dignity of the human person. Also laws that seek to redefine marriage undermine the family -- the most fundamental of human institutions and are offenses against God who instituted marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Support for these public policies that are non-negotiable items for a Catholic should disqualify a candidate from consideration for our vote.

We urge all Catholics to register to vote, to be well informed about issues and the positions of candidates, and to vote. Finally, during this election year we ask all Catholics to pray that we choose wisely in selecting those who will represent and lead us in our national, state and local governments.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Most Reverend James P. Keleher, Archbishop

Most Reverend Joseph F. Naumann, Coadjutor Archbishop


29 posted on 08/04/2004 12:29:52 PM PDT by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: eastsider

Its about time more spoke out!

Deacon Francis


30 posted on 08/04/2004 12:39:39 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Notwithstanding

I'm not Roman Catholic, so please forgive my ignorance, but this seems pretty close to "You're not coming to our church, Sen. Kerry." Does denial of Holy Communion stop just short of ex-communication?


31 posted on 08/04/2004 12:40:39 PM PDT by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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To: Eternally-Optimistic
Next Sunday Father John will read the "edited for heavily demoncratic blue collar parish" version of the same letter. Last election his version could have been interpreted either way depending on your political and moral beliefs.
32 posted on 08/04/2004 12:47:54 PM PDT by AdA$tra ("Deus, dona mihi serenitatem accipere res quae non possum mutare, fortitudinem mutare res quae possu)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"Thwack is a canonical procedure whereby a Bishop dispatches an old-fashioned nun, armed with a 12" metal ruler, to apply appropriate discipline to a public miscreant."


Ah, yes. You mean Sister Mary Hitler.


33 posted on 08/04/2004 12:51:00 PM PDT by TNMountainMan ("I see that everyone who is for abortion has already been born." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: timpad

Everyone is welcome to worship the Lord with us.

But to recieve the Lord's Body and Blood (or any of the other Sacraments) one needs to show that he is of one mind with the Church regarding that Sacrament.

You can't receive Baptism if you do not believe in our doctrine of Baptism and the Trinity.

You can't receive Absolution during Confession if you do not beleive that Jesus personally forgives your sins when you repent and confess your sins to a priest, and commit yourself to avoiding sin in the future.

You can't recieve the sacarament of Confirmation unless you declare your desire to be sealed with the Holy Spirit and serve Christ as an adult Catholic.

You can't be married unless you declare that you believe marriage is sacred bond that lasts forever and agree to raise your children as Catholics.

You can't recieve ordination to the priesthood unless you declare obedience to the bishop, etc., etc.

When facing imminent death, you can't recieve the final annointing ("Last Rites") if there is no evidence that you are Catholic or wanted to be.




You can't recieve Communion unless you are a Catholic in good standing (you are known to be a Catholic who is faithful) and in a state of grace (not in need of absolution from a priest). Faithfulness is presumed. But when you are a public sinner, faithfulness can no longer be presumed.

Voting for "abortion rights" is a public sin.












34 posted on 08/04/2004 1:07:19 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: timpad; NYer; Polycarp IV; patent

Technically, I don't think this is excommunication.

It is with holding of the Eucharist (Communion).

It certainly smells a lot like excommunication, and while it may not be so technically, it is a functional equivalent.


35 posted on 08/04/2004 1:09:27 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: Notwithstanding

Thank you. Very informative, I understand now.


36 posted on 08/04/2004 1:10:31 PM PDT by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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To: Notwithstanding

Wow! What a great statement!

And they came right out and said it: these people are not to be admitted to Communion until they have repented and PUBLICLY DISAVOWED their support for abortion.


38 posted on 08/04/2004 1:25:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: timpad

On the last rites thing, I think a priest would probably administer last rites to someone who is unconscious and severly injured, even without knowing if they were Catholic.

Likewise, a priest can hear a confession of a non-Catholic if the threat of death is imminent, such as on a ship that is sinking - as long as the person sincerely indicates that he wishes to instantly become Catholic.


39 posted on 08/04/2004 1:38:12 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: livius

I am shocked - with joy!


40 posted on 08/04/2004 1:39:15 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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