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The Tragedy Of The McGreevy Marriage (Rabbi Boteach's Thoughts On Bi-Sexuals And Marriage)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 08/14/03 | Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Posted on 08/13/2004 11:13:57 PM PDT by goldstategop

The Tragedy Of The McGreevey Marriage

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

A few months ago I wrote a stinging column criticizing Gov. James McGreevey for silence in the face of outrageous anti-Semitic outbreaks in New Jersey. McGreevey surprised me by calling personally to plead guilty to some of the points I made, and having spoken for over an hour, I was impressed by his humility and willingness to acknowledge error. He later invited me to a party he hosted at the Democratic National Convention, where I said to his wife, who was holding his hand, that I had always been impressed with the quiet dignity she brought to the role of New Jersey's first lady, and that she was a great asset to her husband. Rather than acknowledge the compliment, she stared back blankly and I was left feeling that I had somehow caused offense.

I could not have imagined at that time the turmoil that was going on in the life of this woman, whose marriage would create such explosive news just two weeks later.

I have counseled several gay men who married women only to reveal to them the truth of their sexuality years into the marriage and after children had been born. In every case, the news was not only devastating to the wives in question, but created lasting anger, even hatred. When a man outs himself as gay, the person who suffers the most is his wife. The husband is often treated as a hero, courageously liberating himself from a lie imposed on him by a hypocritical and intolerant society. But his wife is treated as a naïve dupe, and in the case of the wife of a successful politician like James McGreevey, she is seen as cold and calculating, prepared to remain in a fraudulent marriage in order to share power.

But the truth is that these women suffer enormously. I have had many women crying in my office as they related the pain of discovering that they could never be attractive to their husbands, and how that horrible fact undermined their very identity as women. One woman told me that after her husband had revealed to her that he was only able to perform with her sexually by thinking about men, she had thought that night of killing herself.

These tragic circumstances are the direct result of America's irrational and confused response to homosexuality, with extremists dominating the national debate. While I am opposed to gay marriage, I am equally opposed to simplistic religious formulations that would advocate that all gay men can find a home within heterosexual marriage, so long as they make enough of an effort to change.

The most important point about homosexuality is that it is a religious rather than a moral sin. The Bible clearly distinguishes between sins against God (religious) versus sins against man (moral), and neatly divides the Ten Commandments into two tablets reflecting that division. Sins like not worshipping idols and honoring the Sabbath are on the first tablet, while sins like refraining from theft and murder are on the second. Adultery is both a religious and a moral sin because it involves breaking the holy covenant of marriage, as well as deceiving one's spouse. In this sense, McGreevey's having cheated on his wife is a far more serious moral sin than having cheated with a man. Homosexuality, by contrast, which involves consensual sex and no deception, is only a religious sin and not a moral one. Therefore, those who label homosexuality as "immoral" would likewise have to argue that those who don't go to church are immoral, when in fact they are simply irreligious.

Remembering this clear-cut distinction is the key to ending homophobia in America while simultaneously upholding the sacred covenant of heterosexual marriage.

There are two kinds of gay men, those who, amid strong homosexual inclination, still harbor an attraction to women, and those who harbor none. Studies show that the overwhelming number of gay men are, like James McGreevey, in the former category. They are capable of having sex with a woman, and indeed 90 percent of gay men admit to having done so. It is for this reason that society should not legalize gay marriage and elevate it to the same plane as heterosexual marriages, because there is then no incentive for these men, who are in essence bisexual, to make an effort to direct their erotic focus toward women and raise their heterosexual attraction above their same-sex one.

Even fully heterosexual men must learn sexual discipline within marriage by being monogamous amidst their natural attraction to many women. And there is nothing cruel in encouraging men who have an attraction to both sexes to try and focus their sexual desire on women rather than on men. Indeed, gay men who are attracted to women usually make much better husbands and fathers since they are usually softer, gentler, more domesticated and more nurturing than their heterosexual counterparts. Indeed, if men with attraction to both sexes are not encouraged to explore their heterosexual attraction, we are condemning millions of women to lives of loneliness without husbands since the much higher proportion of gay men to lesbians creates a strong numerical imbalance between the sexes.

The potential for tragedy, as in the case of the McGreevey marriage, is when we so severely stigmatize homosexuality – and there is not a single outward homosexual who has been elected to high office – that we force bisexual men to completely hide and deny their homosexual side so that they have no one to talk to and wrestle successfully with their nature. They are forced to hide their attractions fully and utterly. They cannot discuss them with priests, Rabbis, friends, and certainly not with their wives. The attraction can therefore only manifest itself in the form of a deceptive and aberrant relationship, as was the case with James McGreevey.

To be sure, I am not prepared to admit that James McGreevey made a mistake in marrying. Since he did so twice, and had children with both wives, I assume that he was not completely gay and had some actionable attraction to women. But the fact that he could not share how he struggled with a homosexual nature, in a political climate where homosexuality is toxic, meant that he was doomed to living an ignoble lie.

But then there are men who find the idea of sex with a woman positively repulsive. Religious individuals and moralists who encourage gay men with absolutely no attraction to women to enter into the heterosexual institution of marriage are not only unrealistic, they are cruel, cold and heartless. The practice is immoral and deeply destructive to the marriage's participants, as well as to the children who follow. For these men, civil unions should be legally available as a viable alternative, and I find it absurd that it is religious conservatives who are the main obstacles to gay civil unions.

At all levels, society should be encouraging fidelity, commitment, and faithfulness in relationships, and seek to curb the rampant culture of casual, commitment-free sex that has so reduced love and romance to fantasy and fiction.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bisexual; isronpreagannext; marriage; mcgreevey; rshmuleyboteach; sin
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To: Slings and Arrows; Tuco Ramirez
I try my best.

Here's one for ya.

HELEN THOMAS!

(Shudder.)

21 posted on 08/14/2004 8:29:32 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: Enterprise

Amen....a "bisexual" man is a lapsed queer.


23 posted on 08/14/2004 8:34:55 AM PDT by wardaddy (Support the Swifties!)
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To: dead

so you're psychic huh? What are the lotto numbers for tonight? So many women marry men not knowing they are gay. You're asssumption that this woman willingly entered the marriage knowing is cruel unless you have firsthand knowledge.


24 posted on 08/14/2004 8:38:01 AM PDT by Hildy (John Edwards is to Dick Cheney what Potsie was to the Fonz.)
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To: wardaddy
I wonder what R. Lee Ermey has to say about this subject.

http://www.rleeermey.com/

25 posted on 08/14/2004 8:38:08 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: wardaddy
The Low Spark of The High-Heeled Boys. Bi is usually code word for guy moving to 100% gay. Bi-gay?.... still the same degeneracy. Civilizations decline when such activity becomes prominent and favored among the elite.
26 posted on 08/14/2004 8:40:33 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: goldstategop
These tragic circumstances are the direct result of America's irrational and confused response to homosexuality, with extremists dominating the national debate. While I am opposed to gay marriage, I am equally opposed to simplistic religious formulations that would advocate that all gay men can find a home within heterosexual marriage, so long as they make enough of an effort to change.

What is it about confused priests that they must rewrite the doctrine to conform to their personal comfort?

27 posted on 08/14/2004 8:43:40 AM PDT by Old Professer (The harbor master is largely unconcerned with the direction of the tide - only its amplitude.)
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To: jnarcus

She had children with him and now must get tested for Aids regularly for an extended period of time and the infant should be tested also. McGreevey is a selfish SOB.
He was having sex with homosexual males while doing his wife. A really nice guy. Jeeeeez. He ought to be tossed in jail for endangering her.


28 posted on 08/14/2004 8:44:49 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: goldstategop
stellar....boteach has redeemed himself from his Michael jackson groupie daze
29 posted on 08/14/2004 8:46:40 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: jamesbond; 007; Goldfinger; octopussy; SpyGuy; double_agent; spyvspy; MAD; MI6; CIA; redbaiter; ...
Sean Connery:

Tharts rrright! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a hut blond on the way.

(James Bond shoots wealthy, bisexual, North Korean/Soviet, Nazi bad guy. Embraces Ursula Andress.)

30 posted on 08/14/2004 8:49:41 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

PLeeze put me on your Ursula Andress ping list. This is my blog

http://iraqwarwrong.blogspot.com/


31 posted on 08/14/2004 8:52:33 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Old Professer; Slings and Arrows; adam_az; Alouette; Southack; Lijahsbubbe; Coleus; Sister_T; ...
Rabbi Schmuley Boteach:

Oy vey! How many times I gotta tell this guy? I'M A RABBI!!! A RABBI! These goyim. They're something else.

32 posted on 08/14/2004 8:54:44 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

But, was he a wascally wabbi?


33 posted on 08/14/2004 9:17:43 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Hildy
so you're psychic huh?

At least twenty people on this forum alone knew he was gay and knew about the Israeli boyfriend whom he was employing. We've been posting about it for years.

I know dozens of people who knew about it from all sorts of varied sources (mine came from a big Republican donor, who said it was openly discussed among many in the party for years, and I also knew about it from a minor player in his campaign organization, where it was known by all. And a Port Authority police sargeant told me years ago that it was common knowledge amongst all cops in the state.)

There were newspaper articles that hinted, not too subtly about it. Paul Mulshine of the Star Ledger wrote yesterday that all the journalists knew. I saw a former state senator on TV yesterday who apologized for knowing about the Cipel situation for years and not doing anything about it. He confirmed that all the other state politicians knew but nobody wanted to be labeled a "homophobe".

McGreevey bought his boyfriend a town house a few doors away from his own house. They vactioned together all the time. EVERYBODY who knew them knew they were lovers, but by no means exclusive, at least from McGreevey's perspective. He had many others.

His first wife is in hiding in Canada with his daughter and has been for years.

The state troopers codename for him was “Slamhole,” for goddsakes!

I don't know why you imagine that his wife is so completely and utterly stupid. With all due respect, your "psychic conclusion" is far less likely than my own. And it insults the woman's intelligence.

34 posted on 08/14/2004 9:24:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead; NYCVirago; Alberta's Child; olde north church
Paul Mulshine, huh?

GAAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

Some people have their "Hanitty", others have their "Mulshine."

Let's just leave it at that.

35 posted on 08/14/2004 9:33:37 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: goldstategop
The Tragedy Of The McGreevy Marriage

How terribly judgement and old-fashioned.

(at least that's the unannounced stance of the Kerry-Edwards Campaign, I'm sure.)
36 posted on 08/14/2004 9:35:44 AM PDT by VOA
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To: dennisw
....back in the late 70's I was a banquet bartender at a Ramada Hotel where once a month a Gay Bash was held. Soon after midnight limo after limo lined up and gents donning cashmere coats and hats to cover their face joined the party. Shortly each one left with someone. It was so dark in there other than the lights on the dance floor, you couldn't tell who they were, but it sure looked and smell of big money.
37 posted on 08/14/2004 9:36:07 AM PDT by GrandMoM (The shortest distance between your problems & solutions is your knee's to the floor!)
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To: goldstategop

Hard to dance with shovels for feet.


38 posted on 08/14/2004 9:41:00 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Enterprise; elmer fudd; Bugs Bunny; Marvin the Martian; mickey mouse; Goofy; pluto
Hmmm...

Good question.

39 posted on 08/14/2004 9:46:07 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid (Don't want you to hate me. I want you to know you educate me. And make me wanna say, You're bitchin)
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To: goldstategop
He later invited me to a party he hosted at the Democratic National Convention, where I said to his wife, who was holding his hand, that I had always been impressed with the quiet dignity she brought to the role of New Jersey's first lady, and that she was a great asset to her husband. Rather than acknowledge the compliment, she stared back blankly and I was left feeling that I had somehow caused offense.

All that phony handholding -- it's just like the Clintons!

40 posted on 08/14/2004 9:47:44 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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