Posted on 08/20/2004 8:14:28 AM PDT by Lenmonster
An interesting discussion, and it seems balanced. As I read through the various issues, I still feel I'd vote for GWB.
It seems to me that God's signature would be the only one that really matters.......
There is no way that God would vote for Democrats unless we believe in a God that thinks it's okay for women to kill their unborn children.
God is a royalist.
Well, that seems to be the point. The issues themselves are important ones, and I know there are some pro-life Democrats. Not many, but some, just as there are pro-abortion Repubs. At first, I read through this very defensively, but as I looked at it, I think all these issues are good ones. Some seem loaded because of the way the media has spun stuff..."Iraq was a war of choice." Some people agree with that, and some don't. I think it is a good idea, of course, to not be always asserting ourselves militarily (think back to Clinton's Kosovo deal, where they carpetbombed a bunch of Serbs), and I also think it's important to have a consistent policiy of when we DO work militarily. For example, I tend to agree with Iraq, but if we're going to use the "free the Iraqis from a brutal dictator argument," then we should also be dealing with stuff in the Sudan, Somalia, etc.
Who cares what God thinks? Some federal judge will just overturn Him.
Why is it that Democrats feel as if they need to 'take back' things all the time?
If you need to take back, does that mean we are strong enough to take it away in the first place? Funny I don't remember jack-booted thugs led by Jerry Falwell marching into liberal 'churches' and demending that they practice Christianity his way.
What I see is that more conservative Christians retreated into a ghetto sometime back in the 1920's and then realized what a mistake that was 60 years later, as the libs and contry clubbers took over the reigns of the country. Even today a bunch of conservative Christians don't vote at all.
A thoughtful post. I would respond however that the Sudan does not represent a threat to our national security and were not developing WMD. We can't fix every place and that is where the UN could be useful if they'd just stop being a debating society.
He is not. He didn't want Israel to have a king. They INSISTED, and it was a disaster.
I got the absolute opposite take on the abortion issue. It seemed to me that the petition was talking about choosing life, etc., which would make the pro-abort thing not consistent. As far as these being DNC talking points, one thing that does piss me off is the damagoguery on many of these issues. For example, why can't we have a good, balanced, informed environmental policy without that being labeled demo or pubby? I'm actually not against ANWAR, for example, if it truly won't impact things environmentally, and I AM against mindless recycling (think of chemicals added to groundwater in the paper recycling process. But pubbies are labeled environment destroyers while demos are the "saviors" of the environment.
I do think that unfortunately, these issues are important, but this survey, depending on its intentions would have a negative effect on the current election for Republicans, mostly because of how this election has been framed.
I personally have many problems with GWB. He's not truly conservative enough for me in a small govt way (Medicare Drug Bill, No Child Left Behind, immigration amnesty, etc.), but I don't think he's a liar, and he's an honorable man. Kerry is just an out and out liar with no principals, and I can't personally see that in this election, one could in conscience vote for him.
Overall, though, I'd like to see people really delve into these issues for themselves and hash out their own positions in regards to their faith as opposed to a knee jerk reaction. Don't you think that if the election were between, say, Lincoln Chafee (R) and Zell Miller (D), you'd vote for Zell?
That's one way of looking at it, but look how much good he'll do for GWB this time around by being a demo and praising Bush! Party identities actually seem to shift over time (I mean, what a party stands for), and I wonder if that shift will continue to occur. Taking your point, Chafee and that woman from Wash or Oregon, or wherever she is, need to switch to the demos.
Honestly, don't you think GWB has acted more democrat at times than "centrist" democrats? The worst part about that is that he's still labeled as "the most divisive president in history"..."the most extreme president in history." He should have lived up to that hype, voted conservatively on all those issues, and would be running away with this election right now.
Having said that, the values that appear in God's Holy Word, and the example set by His Son and Apostles, are much more conducive to Republican/Conservative values than Dem/Lib.
Oh, sorry. : )
We believe that a consistent ethic of human life is a religious issue. Do the candidates' positions on abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, weapons of mass destruction, HIV/AIDS-and other pandemics-and genocide around the world obey the biblical injunction to choose life?In other words, unless a candidate opposes capital punishment and favors ever-greater funding for AIDS relief, the candidate is inconsistent on the life-issues and needn't be taken seriously as "pro-life." Interestingly, Pax Christi USA, the national Catholic peace group, has a nearly-identical petition framed with exactly the same goals in mind. It is available here.
Good post. When I read that statement, again, I think it can be construed as a left leaning statement. But thinking for myself, I would separate each issue out: abortion: pro life, capital punishment: pro, because you're protecting society from psycho killers; euthanasia: con...although, this isn't an easy one...
What the main thing seems to come down to is this, and this is where this whole thing can be isidious: How much of these world problems are for the government to be involved in? IE...of course we want a cure for AIDS or help for the hungry. But I want to do it myself or with efficient groups dedicated to the task...I don't want to have my $$$ taken from me to fill the coffers of bloated and corrupt government and quasi-government (UN) programs that will offer little, if any, help for those problems.
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