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1,000 May Be Held at Russian School
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Posted on 09/03/2004 12:07:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

1,000 May Be Held at Russian School
01:34 AM EST - September 03, 2004

CLICK TO ENLARGE - A soldier carries a baby and a woman holds a child after being released by militants in Beslan, North Ossetia, Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004. Heavily-armed militants released at least 31 women and children on Thursday from the provincial Russian school where they are holding more than 350 hostages for the second straight day, officials said. (AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)

The Associated Press


BESLAN, Russia

Camouflage-clad commandos carried crying babies away from a school where gunmen holding hundreds of hostages freed at least 26 women and children Thursday during a second day of high drama that kept crowds of distraught relatives on edge.

Two new accounts emerged, meanwhile, that the militants were holding at least 1,000 children, teachers and parents inside the school, far more than previously thought.

Russian officials had said that about 350 people were being held by raiders who seized the school in the North Ossetian city of Beslan on Wednesday. But a teacher who was among at least 26 women and children released on Thursday disputed that, according to a report published Friday.

"On television they say that there are 350 of us. That's not right. There's not less than 1,500 in the school," the respected newspaper Izvestia quoted the woman as saying on condition of anonymity.

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In addition, local legislator Azamat Kadykov told a meeting packed with worried relatives and friends Friday that the number of hostages was "more or less 1,000."

The reports could not immediately be confirmed, but the woman who spoke with Izvestia said that some 1,000 children were enrolled at the school, and the militants had captured teachers and many parents as well when they invaded the building Tuesday during a ceremony to celebrate the start of the new school year.

As the names of the freed hostages were read over a loudspeaker Thursday, men and women wept with disappointment or hugged each other with relief. Some of the toddlers released were naked, apparently because of the stifling heat in the school, where the hostage-takers refused to allow authorities to deliver water, food and medicine for the captives.

Tensions had risen earlier when the militants fired grenades at two cars near the compound ringed by security forces, and later two grenade blasts interrupted a nervous calm during the night.

Another explosion roared on Friday morning, as Kadykov and Leonid Rosahal, a pediatrician who has been involved in the negotiations, spoke to the crowd of worried residents.

Roshal told parents that all the children inside were alive. As he spoke, parents frantically scribbled names of their children on paper and tried to pass them to the doctor. Others began calling out names, begging for information about their loved ones.

"They want hysteria from us," Roshal said, trying to calm the increasingly desperate crowd. "Our strength is in (our) composure and good sense."

President Vladimir Putin said everything possible would be done to end the "horrible" crisis and save the lives of the children and adults being held at School No. 1 in Beslan, a town in the southern region of North Ossetia.

But it was uncertain how much either side was willing to give to avoid further bloodshed in the siege - the latest incident in a series of violent attacks believed linked to Russia's war in Chechnya. A dozen people were reported killed by the attackers when the school was captured Wednesday, but one official said Thursday that 16 died.

Reports after the standoff began Wednesday said the attackers demanded the release of people jailed after attacks on police posts in June that killed more than 90 people in Ingushetia, a region between North Ossetia and Chechnya. But officials said Thursday that the hostage-takers had not clearly formulated their demands.

Late Thursday, Lev Dzugayev, a North Ossetian official, said his previous statement that 354 hostages were seized Wednesday might have been too low, and many in the anxious crowds said they believed the number was much higher. "Putin: at least 800 people are being held hostage," read a sign held up for television cameras.

Valery Andreyev, chief of the regional office of the Federal Security Service, meanwhile said that contacts with the hostage-takers had resumed Friday morning, following an overnight suspension, but stopped again.

Relatives, friends and neighbors who crowded outside barricades blocking access to the school gasped when the hostage release was announced by Dzugayev, an aide to the president of North Ossetia.

Dzugayev and other officials said 26 women and children of various ages were released, but Russian media reported that one woman went back to be with her still-captive children. An official at the crisis headquarters said another group of five hostages was let go separately.

An Associated Press Television News reporter saw two women and at least three infants being led away by soldiers. Some toddlers among those released were completely naked, apparently because of the heat.

Dzugayev called the releases "the first success" of negotiations and said they came after mediation - including inside the school - by Ruslan Aushev, a former president of the Ingushetia republic who is a respected figure in the northern Caucasus.

The hostage release came after anxieties were sent soaring by two powerful explosions, followed by a plume of black smoke rising from the vicinity of the school. The crisis headquarters said the militants fired grenades at two cars that apparently drove too close to the building. Officials said neither car was hit, but a gutted car was visible not far from the school.

Thursday evening, a series of heavy thuds that sounded like artillery could be heard for several minutes, apparently coming from an area northwest of town. There was no information on what caused the sounds.

Two grenade blasts were heard early Friday, and the Interfax news agency reported a policeman was injured. One projectile exploded on a street several hundred yards from the school and another hit in a yard, witnesses said. Dzugayev said that the hostage-takers told Russian authorities they fired because they saw suspicious movement and that officials told them there was no such movement.

Any hint of violence put people on edge. After seizing the school, the militants reportedly threatened to blow it up if troops tried to rescue the hostages and warned they would kill prisoners if any of their gang was hurt. Authorities estimated 15 to 24 militants held the school.

In his first public comments on the crisis, Putin pledged to do everything possible to rescue the hostages.

"Our main task is, of course, to save the lives and health of those who became hostages," Putin said in televised comments during a meeting at the Kremlin with visiting Jordanian King Abdullah II. "All actions of our forces working on the hostages' release will be devoted and be subject to this task exclusively."

Two major hostage-taking raids by Chechen rebels outside the war-torn region in the past decade prompted forceful Russian rescue operations that led to many deaths. The most recent, the seizure of a Moscow theater in 2002, ended after a knockout gas was pumped into the building, debilitating the captors but causing almost all of the 129 hostage deaths.

Andreyev, the Federal Security Service's chief in North Ossetia, seemed to rule out the use of force against the hostage-takers.

"There is no alternative to dialogue," he told the ITAR-Tass news agency. "One should expect long and tense negotiations."

The militants' identity was also murky.

Dzugayev said the attackers might be from Chechnya or Ingushetia. Law enforcement sources in North Ossetia and Ingushetia, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the attackers were believed to include Chechens, Ingush, Russians and a North Ossetian suspected of participating in the Ingushetia violence.

Russia was on edge following the nearly simultaneous bombings on two jetliners last week, a suicide bombing in Moscow on Tuesday and the school siege.

The upsurge in violence has been a blow to Putin, who pledged five years ago to crush Chechnya's rebels but instead has seen the insurgents increasingly strike civilian targets beyond the republic's borders.



By MIKE ECKEL Associated Press Writer



TOPICS: Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; invasion; islam; ossetia; terrorism; war
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To: Happy2BMe

Just look how the Russkies leveled most of Grozny a few years ago after the Moscow apartment bombings. That's the most vengeful modern counter strike to mad Mohammedan terrorism. With this school terror, this time the Chechnyan remnant is saying they want to be booted out to Siberia.


61 posted on 09/03/2004 1:09:42 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

..."WE need to keep our guard up here too. Our schools are totally vulnerable"...

Control over that starts and ends at the borders. How would you defend every school from an attack like this?

These people are animals. We're all the same on the inside my @ss.

A thousand CHILDREN? Putin's going to snap, hard.


62 posted on 09/03/2004 1:09:52 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: Myrddin

Going by the numbers, and assuming that the children and parents are not really "sheep," the possibility remains that this situation can be solved from the inside. Such turns have happened before, though at some cost.

But I'd bet that the Russians will dope any food sent into the school, and then attack.


63 posted on 09/03/2004 1:10:44 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: dennisw

Russia won't do to Chechnya what we did to Afghanistan and Iraq.


64 posted on 09/03/2004 1:11:35 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: Myrddin
I know you are correct.

My mind cannot deal with this one.

Do you think the evil ones have a supply of food? or is it
the dope that will keep them awake and pain-free?

Did you see the other thread, that told of the hundreds of
people who want to volunteer to trade places with the children?

What wonderful people to volunteer to give up their lives,
sure beats the fools that go and protest, what ever it is
they protest.......(I am not talking about the Freepers, who
protest, they are different and would also sign to trade places with these children).
65 posted on 09/03/2004 1:11:51 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Lenta reporting shots fired in the school.


66 posted on 09/03/2004 1:11:57 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: dennisw

We have watched the Palestinians disregard for the lives of their own children for decades..These people do not feel about the safety of their children like we do...Their only sure way to paradise is martyrdom.

We are dealing with people who choose death, not life.
Give them what they want,death....but do not become like them...Stalin was a monster...Hitler, Saddam, Pol Pot, Mao,all killed millions.

May God be with us as we fight these fanatic murderers.


67 posted on 09/03/2004 1:13:56 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: MarMema
And explosions...


68 posted on 09/03/2004 1:14:01 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

I told you Putin would move before daybreak EST.


69 posted on 09/03/2004 1:14:02 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: broadsword
Of course He is, my friend. The Muslirat "god" is a lifeless damned meteorite!

LOL! So much for the Muslim loathing of idolatry. What a farce. What crazies. The Wahabbists made Jihad against other Muslims 200 years ago in Saudi because they were idolatrous. Same reason they decimated India, they revile Hinduism as idolatrous. Islam is a huge insane asylum with 1.2 billion Mohammedan nut cases.

70 posted on 09/03/2004 1:14:19 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Happy2BMe
They are *saying* it is the terrorists inside, shooting randomly, "without provocation" according to Lenta.

Two explosions from inside and machine gun fire.

But it is like Putin to go for the daybreak option so I hope you are correct.

71 posted on 09/03/2004 1:16:58 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Happy2BMe

Russia won't do to Chechnya what we did to Afghanistan and Iraq......

They'll make war the way Mohammedans would in similar situation.


72 posted on 09/03/2004 1:17:07 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: dennisw

Well put!


73 posted on 09/03/2004 1:17:19 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: 1_Inch_Group

Putin is not going to "snap". Putin is even more tough than he is smart, and he is very smart. But Boy-O-Boy, there will be hell to pay. I mean Hell. It won't be impulsive, but it will be serious. Unless those Devil Worshipers, those children of Satan, surrender immediately the days of this business being nice are over.


74 posted on 09/03/2004 1:22:16 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: MarMema

BESLAN, Russia (AP) - Camouflaged security agents carried babies to safety after militants holding hundreds of hostages at a school released at least 31 women and children Thursday, and officials expressed hope that negotiations would bring more progress in the standoff in southern Russia.

But a crowd of hostages' relatives keeping vigil outside the school was shaken when a pair of explosions went off just ahead of the release. Officials said militants fired rocket-propelled grenades at two cars that got too close to the school.

The developments came after a night of telephone negotiations between Russian authorities and the militants, who stormed the school Wednesday, rounding up around 350 children and adults into a gym and threatening to blow up the building if police launch an assault.

Local official Lev Dzugayev called the release "the first success" and expressed hope for further progress in negotiations. He has said between 15 and 24 militants were thought to be in the school, which had students from grades one to 11. Also taken hostage in the standoff were some parents who were bringing their older children to school while carrying with them babies or pre-schoolers.

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Security forces surrounded the building, and militants perched a sniper on an upper floor. Since the seizure, militants have refused offers to deliver food and water to the school.

In his first public comment on the standoff, President Vladimir Putin pledged to do everything possible to save the hostages' lives. "We understand these acts are not only against private citizens of Russia but against Russia as a whole," he said. "What is happening in North Ossetia is horrible."

Thursday afternoon, militants released one group of 26 women and children, then a second group of three women and two children, the rescue operation's headquarters reported.

Camouflage-clad security agents were seen carrying babies and young children - some wrapped in blankets, some naked - from the scene and into cars. An Associated Press Television News reporter saw soldiers escorting two women and at least two children away from the school.

Officials at the crisis headquarters said the releases came after mediation by Ruslan Aushev, an Afghan war veteran and former president of the neighboring Ingushetia region who is a respected figure in Russia's troubled North Caucasus region.

(AP) A special forces soldier carries a baby as a woman follows carrying a child after being released...
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As Dzugayev announced some of the releases, a crowd of relatives swarmed around him, trying to find out if their loved ones were among those freed.

The hostage-taking in Beslan, a town of about 30,000 in the southern region of North Ossetia, appeared to be the latest in a string of attacks by insurgents from the nearby war-town republic of Chechnya. Suspicion has fallen on Chechen rebels, although no claim of responsibility has been made.

Valery Andreyev, the Federal Security Service's chief in North Ossetia, seemed to rule out the immediate use of force against the hostage-takers.

"There is no alternative to dialogue," the ITAR-Tass news agency quoted him as saying. "One should expect long and tense negotiations."

Sporadic gunfire chattered in the area through the night, keeping the crowds of relatives around the school on edge. On Thursday - 30 hours into the crisis - two large explosions about 10 minutes apart rocked the area, raising a cloud of black smoke.

(AP) A local woman walks past Interior Ministry soldiers in Beslan, North Ossetia, Thursday, Sept. 2,...
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Anxious relatives rushed to police barricades, trying to see what happened. The crisis headquarters said militants in the school fired RPGs at two cars. Officials said neither car was hit, but reporters said they saw a gutted car that apparently had been hit, about 100 yards from the school.

In the early evening, a series of heavy thuds that sounded like artillery could be heard, apparently coming from an area northwest of the town. The sund persisted for about 15 minutes.

The drama at the school came with memories still sharp from the deadly end to last major hostage-taking blamed on Chechens. In 2002, Chechen militants seized a Moscow theater, holding hundreds inside. That standoff ended when police pumped an unidentified knockout gas into the building - but the gas was responsible for almost all of the 129 hostage deaths.

Gennady Gudkov, a retired Federal Security Service colonel, said there is little chance that authorities will resort to a knockout gas this time - particularly since medical experts said it tended to have a stronger effect on children.

The militants' storming of the school came a day after a suspected Chechen suicide bomber blew herself up outside a Moscow subway station, killing nine people, and just over a week after 90 people died in two plane crashes that are suspected to have been blown up by bombers also linked to Chechnya.

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The recent bloodshed is a blow to Putin, who pledged five years ago to crush Chechnya's rebels but instead has seen the insurgents increasingly strike civilian targets beyond the republic's borders.

The attacks have put Russia on edge. Moscow's government cancelled annual City Day events that had been planned for the weekend, Russian news agencies reported. The Federal Security Service branch in southern Russia's Rostov region announced a search for two women with Muslim-sounding names, and local television in the region warned people to avoid crowded places.

Heavily armed militants wearing masks descended on the school shortly after 9 a.m. on the opening day of the new school year Wednesday. About a dozen people managed to escape by hiding in a boiler room, but hundreds of others were herded into the school gymnasium and some were placed at windows as human shields.

Casualty reports in the raid varied widely. One official in the operation center said 16 were killed. Dzugayev said that seven were killed. He also gave the number of hostages at 354, before Thursday's releases.

From inside the school, the militants sent out a list of demands and threatened that if police intervened, they would kill 50 children for every hostage-taker killed and 20 children for every hostage-taker injured, Kazbek Dzantiyev, head of the North Ossetia region's Interior Ministry, was quoted as telling the ITAR-Tass news agency.

Andreyev said some of the militants had been identified, and investigators were attempting to find their relatives and bring them to the school to help in the negotiations.

75 posted on 09/03/2004 1:22:24 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: MEG33

When you live by civilized rules and conduct war by civilized rules it's tough to beat back Mohammedan Jihads. You have to sink to their level by 30% to 50% and terrorize the sh*t out of them. It's the only thing that penetrates their thick skulls.

"He was such a nice guy that he's now dead". Who wants that on his tombstone?


76 posted on 09/03/2004 1:24:10 AM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Only other news I can find in Russian is that the chechens are demanding recognition of ikcheria as an independent country.


77 posted on 09/03/2004 1:24:40 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

They spent all night trying to make contact with the terrorists and only made contact about 7-8 am. (7-8 pm FR time).


78 posted on 09/03/2004 1:29:43 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Pediatrician who got the kids released from the theatre...

Doctor Leonid Roshal.

Says the children can live 8-9 days without water. Hmm. Reassuring parents, I guess.

79 posted on 09/03/2004 1:32:26 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Terror Attacks Prompt Tough Talk From Kremlin
80 posted on 09/03/2004 1:32:27 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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