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Navy Launches Formal Kerry Medal Probe
NewsMax .com ^ | 9/03/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 09/03/2004 8:06:41 AM PDT by kattracks

The United States Navy has launched an official investigation into John Kerry's Vietnam War decorations, saying, "it's the responsibility of all personnel to correct errors in official records."

In a launching a formal probe, the Navy was responding to a referral from the Pentagon's inspector general's office - based on a complaint filed by the Washington-based legal watchdog group Judicial Watch, Fox News reported Friday. In a letter to Judicial Watch, the inspector general's office said: "Concerning our allegations of violations of Uniform Code of Military Justice, we have the responsibility to . . . 'report suspected or alleged violations.' We have informed the secretary of the Navy of the allegations."

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman, who has challenged the authenticity of his signature on one of Kerry's war decorations, told Fox that Navy records needed to be "thoroughly researched and the facts established."

Most questions about Kerry's combat record appear to be based on processing errors, Navy sources told the news network.

However, even if the errors were based on inadvertent mistakes, any corrections would force the top Democrat to acknowledge that citations touting his heroism that have been posted to his Web site for months were false - a development that could have devastating political consequences.

"Even if it was the Navy's fault," one source following the story told NewsMax, "surely Sen. Kerry knew the citations were wrong. Why did it take a formal Navy probe for him to correct records he had to know were fraudulent?"

Kerry received five medals during his four months in combat in Vietnam, including a Silver Star with a "Combat V" designation. A Navy source confirmed last week, however, that in the entire history of the Navy, no Silver Star has ever been awarded with "Combat V."

Kerry campaign spokesman Michael Meehan suggested that the Navy probe was a waste of time and money.

"The facts are clear, the Navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with a Combat V and three Purple Hearts. It is waste of taxpayer's dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime, to investigate a 35-year-old Navy clerical error," Meehan said in statement.

In 1996, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jeremy Boorda committed suicide after he was accused of wearing medals he hadn't earned.

At the time, Kerry told the Boston Herald that the error was "sufficient to question his leadership position."

"If you wind up being less than what you're pretending to be, there is a major confrontation with value, self-esteem and your sense of how others view you," Kerry told the Boston Globe.



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To: kattracks

I now know what the F stands for in John F Kerry....Faked


51 posted on 09/03/2004 10:21:01 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: CedarDave
it's obvious to me that Kerry did come under fire

When exactly did THAT happen? On 13 MAR when PCF-3 was blown, and one or two responsible probably scurried away? Did Kerry EVER get shot at in his entire four months?

Take THEM ALLLLLL AWAY! All PH, SS, BS. He doesn't deserve a one!

That's not what the Navy is doing. They're apparently just looking into correcting the DD214, but are not looking into the Lehman citation, and their proper authorization if any, and certainly not the source for official reports of 13 MAR. They might, I would hope, at least look into PH #1, and strike that, unless they magically discover some reports written on it. Otherwise, as with hundreds of others who've had medals revoked upon investigation, tell him - sorry Kerry. You don't qualify.

52 posted on 09/03/2004 10:24:06 AM PDT by sevry
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To: IMRight
To be more specific. Boorda commited suicide - NOT for wearing medals he didn't earn, but for (mistakenly according to him) wearing a "Combat V" on his EARNED Bronze Star.

Incorrect. Boorda was incorrectly wearing the Combat V on both the Navy Commendation Medal and Navy Achievement Medal. Boorda was not and is still not authorized the Combat V on either medal. Boorda, who was being treated for depression, killed himself for reasons few, if any, people know. Blaming it on the Combat V issue is specious at best.

53 posted on 09/03/2004 10:31:04 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: engrpat
When I hear this on the news or read it in a main line paper

With all respect - get over it. That era is gone. Catch up to the present. The LM are fossils. They're dying. And contrary to what you think, they have NO - ZERO - credibility.

54 posted on 09/03/2004 10:31:47 AM PDT by sevry
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To: Phantom Lord

Get a grip. Lots of people read NewsMax who don't view Free Republic. I know lots of RATs that read it too so that makes it okay in my book.

The point is to use EVERY MEANS in getting the word out and NewsMax helps to do that.

Are you always this grouchy?


55 posted on 09/03/2004 10:34:03 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: kattracks

Poor John Kerry! The Navy's investigating his medals, and between the RNC Convention coverage, Hurricane Frances, Bill Clinton's upcoming surgery, and the Russian hostage situation, he'll just have so little coverage for his campaign.

Believe the ambitious John Edwards hitched his wagon to a falling star!


56 posted on 09/03/2004 10:36:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2 (.)
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To: BushisTheMan

My major beef is not with newsmax, but with Judical Watch.


57 posted on 09/03/2004 10:36:33 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: PC Bob
What I want to know is, how did he ever get elected?

Back in 1982 a friend asked me if I was interested in attending a comedy show. He told me about a number of famous persons who would be at a benefit for charity. I agreed and we went as a group.

The benefit was for John Kerry who was running for Lt. Governor. I did not know it was for Kerry at the time until after I got there. There were the usual suspects there performing Robin Williams, Chevy Chase, Peter,Paul, and Mary, as well as a number of others.

I really did not know it was a political fund raiser. I would not have gone if I did know it. Kerry has always gotten an incredibly positive press in this area due to his war protester activities. This fawning by the media has continued until the present and it has really been elevated during the last year or so. The press and Kerry conceal a lot of things. That is their pattern.

The bum kissers at the Boston Globe must have been schizophrenic when Dean was leading in the polls. That situation put those subversives in a true dilemma. Dean was saying the right things, but Kerry had a resume(a bogus one) which they felt would be used to sway undecideds. Ultimately, the media managed to keep Kerry shining while soiling Dean. As if that maniac Dean wasn't going to implode without the Globe and other media's veiled assistance.

John Kerry is one person who has simply been shielded from criticism all of his life until recently. Many in this area simply get all of their information concerning politicians from such outlets as the Globe. The national media is not so completely enamored to Kerry as he is accustomed to. This is something which apparantly has perplexed the ersatz war hero.

I guess what I am saying is that the Media has clout and they use it. The voters in this area have never been informed by journalists about Kerry's lack of credibility. The media calls him a war hero, and the voters believe it as it has never before been disputed publicly due to the liberal press's agenda.

58 posted on 09/03/2004 10:43:40 AM PDT by Radix (This isn't a Tag Line? Well, could you point me to one?)
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To: goodnesswins

BINGO!

Plus, I never realized they admittred WE ARE AT WAR!


59 posted on 09/03/2004 10:54:28 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://PostNineEleven.blogspot.com/)
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To: Yehuda

admittred = admitted (d*mn commie keyboard...!)


60 posted on 09/03/2004 10:55:13 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://PostNineEleven.blogspot.com/)
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To: kattracks
>>>"The facts are clear, the Navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with a Combat V and three Purple Hearts. It is waste of taxpayer's dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime, to investigate a 35-year-old Navy clerical error," Meehan said in statement. <<<<

Very telling quote there.

61 posted on 09/03/2004 10:58:02 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: goodnesswins

Bump. Same sentence caught my eye too.


62 posted on 09/03/2004 10:58:30 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Phantom Lord

Even with Judicial Watch, the lawsuit still gets mentioned and it points out there may be some questions about his medals. If the great uninformed out there just happen to hear about it, this might just be what tips the scale to Bush. If so, it's not a problem for me.


63 posted on 09/03/2004 11:00:52 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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64 posted on 09/03/2004 11:02:10 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Kerry Lied and Good Men Died!"

"Kerry Fled and Good Men Bled!"

65 posted on 09/03/2004 11:39:03 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Blaming it on the Combat V issue is specious at best.

Right! Like that entirely specious suicide note? HE sure seemed to think they were related.

If you're saying he was suffering from a disorder and THAT caused him to kill himself I dount anyone would disagree (no entirely sane man kills himself over a pip on a medal), but let's not pretend it wasn't related.

66 posted on 09/03/2004 11:40:42 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: kattracks
Can the navy release one's Navy records due to an official investigation without one signed the dreaded form 180???

Could be interesting...

SledgeCS

67 posted on 09/03/2004 11:41:04 AM PDT by SledgeCS (Do you consider yourself a true American because a hyphen diminishes and divides what it describes)
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To: Antoninus
"Ahdmirhall Booordah comeeted sssooicide for lesss." /Dracula Lantos

Wasn't that comment directed at Craig Livingstone. Wasn't Mr. Livingstone devstated?

68 posted on 09/03/2004 11:46:27 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: Area51
Anyone have a compilation of the Kerry back peddling on his FAMOUS WAR RECORD?

***The Complete John F. Kerry TIMELINE - A Work in Progress***
69 posted on 09/03/2004 1:00:12 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; ntnychik; devolve; Happy2BMe; Boazo; OXENinFLA; ...
For Immediate Release
Sep 2, 2004 Contact: Press Office
202-646-5172

PENTAGON INSPECTOR GENERAL CONTACTS SECRETARY OF THE NAVY ABOUT KERRY AWARDS

Reacts to Investigation Request by Judicial Watch

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, announced today that the Inspector General (“IG”) of the Department of Defense has informed the Secretary of the Navy of Judicial Watch’s “formal complaint and request for investigation, determination and final disposition of the awards granted to Lieutenant (junior grade) John Forbes Kerry, U.S. Naval Reserve.”

The Defense Department IG cited Section 8(d) of the Inspector General Act of 1978, which states: “. . . the IG of the Department of Defense shall expeditiously report suspected or alleged violations of chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (Uniform Code of Military Justice), to the Secretary of the military department concerned or the Secretary of Defense.”

On August 18, 2004, Judicial Watch filed a complaint and request for investigation and final disposition of awards granted to Kerry with the Inspectors General of the Department of Defense and the Department of the Navy, as well as the Chief of Naval Operations and the Navy’s Board of Decorations and Medals. See the complaint and the Department of Defense IG letter by clicking here.

On Tuesday, August 31, 2004, Judicial Watch called upon Senator Kerry to remove the Silver Star citation from his political campaign Internet site pending a review of the granting of the award by the U.S. Navy. Senator Kerry’s political Internet site displays a document listing a “Silver Star with Combat ‘V.’” The Combat “V” device is never awarded with the nation’s third highest award for heroism. A U.S. Navy spokesperson has reportedly stated: “The Navy has never issued a ‘Combat V’ to anyone for a Silver Star.” Additionally, former Navy Secretary John Lehman was quoted with respect to the Silver Star citation as saying: “It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me.”

“We hope this is the beginning of an actual investigation of the legitimacy of Senator Kerry’s awards by the Navy and the Pentagon,” stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

© Copyright 1997-2004, Judicial Watch, Inc.






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70 posted on 09/03/2004 1:44:16 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: kattracks

Perhaps Bush should issue Kerry a pardon for his fraud in connection with the medals and order the investigation halted. As a purely friendly gesture, of course ....


71 posted on 09/03/2004 1:49:23 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Smartass

Out of curiousity, if it is found that Kerry received his purple hearts 'due to a clerical error'; then will he have to finish his duty?


72 posted on 09/03/2004 2:25:52 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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Bump for future reference.


73 posted on 09/03/2004 2:40:42 PM PDT by LouD
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To: Calpernia
A clerical error is a separate issue, and almost a non issue.   However, doctored, or falsified records could become a criminal issue.   The Navy and the IG will be investigating an informal complaint that was filed by Judicial Watch!
74 posted on 09/03/2004 2:47:19 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

I meant, will he have to finish his tour of duty :)


75 posted on 09/03/2004 2:54:52 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Smartass; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Old Sarge; onyx; Chieftain

                                   


JOHN KERRY GOES

DOWN IN FLAMES

GW 52% - JK 41%



76 posted on 09/03/2004 2:57:35 PM PDT by devolve ( -- Kerry & POW`s families - http://pro.lookingat.us/POW.html --)
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To: Calpernia
I don't think so. If files have been doctored, and if it is found that he is responsible, he then could do a tour in federal jail.
77 posted on 09/03/2004 3:02:54 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: engrpat
When I hear this on the news or read it in a main line paper

This equates to "when hell freezes over". MSM will cover up this story until after the election unless something forces them to report it.

78 posted on 09/03/2004 3:05:00 PM PDT by zip ((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans))
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To: kattracks

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79 posted on 09/03/2004 3:07:39 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: kattracks

But Kerry says his medals are not important to him. "I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine medals," he said on ABC. Doesn't know how many medals he has, how many he "gave back," how he got them, where those citations came from, who was witness to the events that led to the medals, what the circumstances of the medal events were. (Yet he has them framed on his Senate office wall.)


80 posted on 09/03/2004 3:10:23 PM PDT by shezza (God bless the Swiftees -- they're risking everything to stand up for freedom --again)
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To: Calpernia
"Kerry campaign spokesman Michael Meehan suggested that the Navy probe was a waste of time and money."

""The facts are clear, the Navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with a Combat V and three Purple Hearts. It is waste of taxpayers' dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime, to investigate a 35-year-old Navy clerical error," Meehan said in statement."

Nobody has seen all of Kerry's military records.   So how can Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan make an erroneous statement as being a "Navy clerical error?"
81 posted on 09/03/2004 4:13:53 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: StarCMC

Make that a hard sonar PING!!!! Kerry is targeted by an SSN preparing to shot a Mark-48 his way.


82 posted on 09/03/2004 4:35:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: kattracks

INTREP


83 posted on 09/03/2004 4:44:56 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America ALERT)
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To: Calpernia
FYI - I just heard another interesting legal theory! There are no statute of limitations on soldiers deserting. Meaning, that if Kerry is found to have doctored his records, he could possibly be tried for deserting his crew and Swift Boat in Nam. In a nutshell, Kerry's un canned a can of worms, that can't be re canned.
84 posted on 09/03/2004 4:58:07 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

I am of the understanding that the "V" was added some years later by a Sec of Defense who was NOT President when he got the original citation.....plus, Medved said that Kerry did NOT get his discharge papers until about 6 years after he left the service....weird. (And, Medved claims this could be VERY serious.....like, jailtime, serious.)


85 posted on 09/03/2004 5:49:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: goodnesswins

er...correction "not President" should be "not Sec of Def".....sheesh....time for wine.


86 posted on 09/03/2004 6:08:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: goodnesswins
There's a lot of theories and speculation on what might have happen. In all appearances, it looks like his records have been doctored to look better then was awarded. Also, people want to see the paper trail of who recommended him, or if he recommended (awarded) himself. Then there's an issue of the "V" placed in his record? When, and by whom was the "V" put there. Kerry's spokesman claims a clerical error. Kerry is suppose to know better, and was obligated himself to correct the error. However, the argument can be made, that other then to advance his career, he just has no respect for the military or the awards given. An unbiased military investigation could bring out the good, bad, or the ugly.
87 posted on 09/03/2004 6:30:20 PM PDT by Smartass (BUSH & CHENEY 2004 Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Smartass

That makes his quote, "Sen. John Kerry, the committee chairman, told one of the investigators that if the report ever leaked out, "you'll wish you'd never been born."

From HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205397/posts?page=164#164

Even more interesting.


88 posted on 09/03/2004 7:31:46 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Calpernia

Good question.


89 posted on 09/03/2004 7:37:41 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
It's kinda nice....watching the 'Kerry Machine'...self-destruct.

NO ONE gets a "V" (which is awarded for Valour) on a Silver Star....since the Silver Star itself is for 'Valour'.

redrock

90 posted on 09/03/2004 8:36:28 PM PDT by redrock ("But three Purple Hearts and never bled that I know of. "--Bob Dole on John Kerry)
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To: redrock; dakine; bkwells; chookter; Hacksaw434; thumperusn; Hostel; The Sailor; kjfine; ...

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document200408280010.asp

Purple Heart News

(Uh Oh Kerry this retired rear admiral
WAS on your boat Dec 2-3 1968)


91 posted on 09/03/2004 8:45:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping Tonk!!


92 posted on 09/03/2004 8:49:07 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump


93 posted on 09/03/2004 8:51:41 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (What is a WOO HOO???And why do FReepers WOO HOO???)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Wait till the swiftees talk about his unauthorized meetings with the NVA while in the USN, Or his complicity in tipping off the NVA about bombing missions while with the VVAW


94 posted on 09/03/2004 8:52:57 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping, Tonk. No surprises here. I'm glad these men are coming forward. It must be tough for them after so much water under the bridge.


95 posted on 09/03/2004 8:56:06 PM PDT by risk
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To: kattracks; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; dakine; bkwells; chookter; Hacksaw434; thumperusn; Hostel; ...

<< It is waste of taxpayer's dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime, to investigate a 35-year-old Navy clerical error," Meehan ..... >>

..... -- Immediately after Cinderella-Edwards and Midnight-Kerry got done ripping United States President and Armed-Forces Commander-In-Chief George Walker Bush's allegedly insufficient attention to edge-a-kkkaeshun, outsourced-jobs-for-Indian-geeks and "free" $h*t for geezers, in Ohio the other one AM -- .....

<< .... said in a statement. >>


96 posted on 09/03/2004 9:14:47 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- AND A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: kattracks
The Bandit launches his own investigation!

Kerry's Vietnam Medals Crumble Under Examination

97 posted on 09/03/2004 9:17:25 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
This might be the most glorious wannabee take-down yet! He is one embellishing slimeball. Remember my story about being at Dewey Cyn III, and when I, and a few of my fellow grunts, where approached to come listen to a 'Navy Cross' winner speak. That's how he was introduced, too. Not one bit of denial on his part. It was immediately apparent that he was full of $hit. We couldn't listen to him for more than 10 minutes, sick of his communist rhetoric and his encouraging of treason and sedition. The POS really thinks that audacity is courage.
98 posted on 09/03/2004 9:20:55 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

I remember EVERYTHING about this "guy"

I can't wait for him to get some "swift" justice. LOL


99 posted on 09/03/2004 9:32:19 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: kattracks

This is NOT good news for Kerry. And the craziest thing is, he just keeps stubbornly talking about it and his Vietnam experience... The man isn't (well) - connected with reality.


100 posted on 09/03/2004 9:57:52 PM PDT by Libertina
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