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Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research<p>
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis

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Note that Monday, 9/6/04 is a holiday and DoJ offices should be closed to the public.

1 posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:46 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Tacis

You may have it,,good job


2 posted on 09/05/2004 7:33:40 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Tacis

No one has the right to question John F-ing Kerry.


3 posted on 09/05/2004 7:35:29 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: Tacis

We're going to find out because from what I read the Pentagon is going to investigate.


4 posted on 09/05/2004 7:36:26 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: Tacis
These activities, some of which may have been legal, were of very questionable patriotism for an honest citizen of the US but certainly inappropriate for a US Naval officer.

Hammer hitting nail on head!

5 posted on 09/05/2004 7:38:51 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Do you just think I fell off a turnip truck?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Cincinatus' Wife; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; kattracks; 7.62 x 51mm; rightwing2; ...

BTTT - a good read that really makes more sense than much I have seen recently.


6 posted on 09/05/2004 7:41:06 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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Carter's pardon was for draft dodgers. Note that the language you provide is about Selective Service Act violations.

Kerry enlisted and at least fulfilled his active duty obligation. I don't think that his problem with records is about Selective Service problems. IIRC, there's some document (on Kerry's web site?) from Kerry's draft board stating that he's no longer under their purview.

Back around 1973/1974, I did a little work for ex-military trying to get their discharges upgraded. There was (is?) a board which handles applications. Kerry would have to apply to that board, if the procedures were followed.

The interesting question seems to be:

Kerry signed up for a six-year obligation in 1966. He should've been discharged in 1972.

It seems as if he was discharged in 1978.

Why the additional six years?
7 posted on 09/05/2004 7:41:35 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko (Oh, and Dick Cheney too.)
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To: Tacis

Off topic: I've heard Kerry say he served TWO tours of duty. Is this true? If so, then he served more than the four months in VN, right? Kerry is so confusing!


8 posted on 09/05/2004 7:41:49 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Tacis

pursue this and get back to us........if true this would end his senaate career as well.


9 posted on 09/05/2004 7:42:42 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: ncpatriot

- kerry's first tour was on a big ship way out to sea, since the North Vietnam had no navy, he was quite safe.


10 posted on 09/05/2004 7:43:48 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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I believe that if he was court martialed, that it would have been fairly common knowledge. He wouldn't have been able to hide it IMHO, particularly given his highly visible status and activities.

Secondly, I do not believe the pardon of such a court martial could have been covered under Carter's pardon because it would have had nothing to do with the MIlitray selective service act or any violations pertaining thereto.

Now, Kerry should have been court martialed and tried for treason. He aided and abetted the enemy, illegaly consulting with/negotiating with their representatives as they negotiated peace in Paris. He also, in his work woith the anti-war movement was a part of meetings where the killing of American politicians were discussed. To my knowledge he never reported those discussions.

All of this while he was in the naval reserve. He should be brought up on charges today for those crimes IMHO.

But it's just my opinion.

11 posted on 09/05/2004 7:46:16 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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I think that Carter's blanket pardons pertaining to "selective Service" laws are not likely pertinent to any secrets kerry is hiding.....but "other" proceedings of a different nature could also have been held and then "pardoned" by Carter outside the Selective Service pardons.

I just don't believe that he violated the Selective Service law.....he was on active duty continuously for way more than 3 years.


12 posted on 09/05/2004 7:46:27 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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Not to rain on your parade but I think the pardons granted by Carter were for draft dodgers.

A more plausible explanation is that John Kerry was an FBI,DOD informant against the VVAW and the anti-war movement.
13 posted on 09/05/2004 7:46:57 AM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: sirchtruth
These activities, some of which may have been legal, were of very questionable patriotism for an honest citizen of the US but certainly inappropriate for a US Naval officer.

A meeting where fellow radicals discussed murdering US senators is more than inappropriate. It is sedition.

14 posted on 09/05/2004 7:47:00 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Tacis

Since Kerry is now being investigated by the Dept of The Navy, little bits and pieces surface, such as Kerry being courtmartialed in the early 70's by the Navy. His Protests, and three meetings with the enemy in Paris was done by him WHILE being in the Navy Reserve, an offense in the Military which is court martial. Interesting to see, what the investigation will bring...more than we ever wanted to know, and it will be ugly.


16 posted on 09/05/2004 7:48:46 AM PDT by Inge C
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What if he did these things, is there a statute of limitations on prosecuting this? He might have gone for the pardon to prevent this from occurring. He might have wanted a dishonorable discharge changed so he could play the war hero. Who knows, he is scum.


17 posted on 09/05/2004 7:49:19 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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Here is the kind of “liar” that Kerry is:

Kerry titles his book "Tour of Duty" for his service in Vietnam. He also claims that he had TWO tours of duty in Vietnam (because of his time on the USS Gridley).

John Kerry was in Vietnam (for 4 months) and yes he was on the deep-water coast of Vietnam on the USS Gridley (for a few weeks), but he did not serve a tour in Vietnam.

A Tour in the Nam was 12 months, one year, 365 days, one trip around the sun. Guys would count down the days until their time was up. It was a big deal. When you only had a few weeks to go until your 12 months was up, you were "SHORT", going home soon. When you broke 100 days you were a “Double Digit”. A “Single Digit” Vet (less than 10 days to go) could be found in his hooch packing.

This issue is important for this reason. John Kerry knows that he didn't serve a Tour, let alone TWO Tours, in Vietnam yet he brazenly reports that he did.

One might argue 'Well, the time that Kerry spent in Nam was HIS tour, so what is the big deal"?

If that is your argument then Kerry should have named his book "My Time in Nam" or something. Not give the impression that he spent a tour in Nam. AND, there is NO excuse for his claim for TWO TOURS in Nam. It is John Kerry spinning the truth to make himself something that he is not.

As far as Unfit for Command is concerned, I have read it. The Swifties could care less if John Kerry got medals, their issue is the same as what I explained above (and the fact that Kerry smeared their good name with his lies) and that is that Kerry diverts from the truth to make himself into something that he is not so much, that he cannot be trusted.

Kerry embellished his After Action Reports to get medals that he didn’t deserve. He fabricated accusations when he came back from Vietnam when he spoke before the Senate Intelligence Committee when he said that his fellow Vietnam Veterans committed atrocities. He has never provided any proof that his accusations were true, and in fact now admits that his accusations were “over the top”. Over the top? They were untrue! And his falsifications harmed POW’s, their families, and Vietnam Veterans in general.

POW’s who were in North Vietnam prison camps when Kerry was telling his fabricated stories to the Senate and the American public to bolster his political ambitions were tortured and threatened to be placed on trial as “War Criminals”. POW’s were told by their captors “You will never go home” because of Kerry’s fabrications. Kerry’s untrue accusations are unforgivable.

General Vo Nguyen Gaip , the Commanding officer of the North Vietnamese Military and Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975 both claim that North Vietnam was poised to negotiate a surrender because of the Communist’s military failures during the 1968 Tet Offensive and thereafter. But because of the Anti-War movement in America (led by Jane Fonda and John Kerry) they felt that the Demonstrations “gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."

America was kicking the Communist’s butt in every battle. General Westmoreland had the Communist’s number and was winning the war. America’s pullout of Vietnam was due to Kerry and his group of Demonstrators. Kerry’s ant-war activities played a very significant part in causing America to lose the war in Vietnam.

Because of John Kerry and others like him there are more names on the Vietnam Memorial in Washington D. C. than there otherwise would have been. There was also the slaughter of 3.5 million South Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians when America pulled out that is significantly attributable to John Kerry and his now admittedly “over the top” accusations. John Kerry has blood dripping from his untrue accusations.

When I returned home to Los Angeles from Vietnam in 1971 my head was spinning as I walked through the Terminal at LAX, thinking about the culture of war that I had just left while looking around at the opulence in America. When I stepped outside onto the sidewalk a group of “Longhairs” walked by and one of them spat on me while the others called me a “Baby Killer”. I feel that the treatment that I received, and have lived with for the past 33 years, was due to John Kerry and his lies.

John Kerry does not have the moral integrity, honesty, or judgment to be the Commander-In-Chief of the world’s most powerful military. John Kerry IS, unfit for command.

Vietnam Veteran

Mekong Delta 1970-1971

18 posted on 09/05/2004 7:50:01 AM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: leadpenny

Here!


19 posted on 09/05/2004 7:50:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MAK1179

very interesting ping.......


20 posted on 09/05/2004 7:51:05 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (American Forces armed with what? Spit balls?)
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