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Kerry - Pardoned by Carter in 1977? - Research<p>
Various | 9/5/04 | Tacis

Posted on 09/05/2004 7:29:43 AM PDT by Tacis

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To: Tacis

A correspondent on a list I read recently noted the following. Your conjecture and research may hold the answer to his query:

"...Then I looked at this document.
found at: http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Service_Record.pdf

It shows the various dates Kerry served on active and reserve duty. It was prepared on January 25, 1985. Down at the bottom it shows that it is Enclosure (1) to something. What's the main document? It wasn't prepared by the National Archives Retired Records Section (as was the DD215 on March 12, 2001). It was prepared by the Naval Military Personnel Command, Office of Legal Counsel. Why would a lawyer have to prepare this sort of thing? Very odd."


81 posted on 09/05/2004 9:37:24 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: Tacis; Jeff Head; Mike Fieschko; Alamo-Girl; Vn_survivor_67-68; stockpirate; Inge C; tioga; ...
There are other kinds of pardons relating to military service that have nothing to do with the draft or Selective Service. Check this:

"Mr. Carter invoked his powers as commander in chief and ordered that the "bad paper" military discharges of hundreds of thousands of deserters, malcontents and nonperformers be mandatorily upgraded, so long as they met one of six easily attained criteria."

http://www.jameswebb.com/Articles/wallstreetjrnl/carterinsult.htm

The following link pertains to the draft and Selective Service:

"Pardons Granted to Evaders of Vietnam War (1977): Carter grants full pardons to the Americans who fled to Canada to avoid being drafted for the Vietnam War."

http://userpages.umbc.edu/~cgehrm1/pres_site/presidents/jc.html

82 posted on 09/05/2004 9:37:32 AM PDT by Eastbound ("Ne'er a Scrooge or a Patsy be.")
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To: Eastbound
"Mr. Carter invoked his powers as commander in chief and ordered that the "bad paper" military discharges of hundreds of thousands of deserters, malcontents and nonperformers be mandatorily upgraded, so long as they met one of six easily attained criteria."

Was not aware of that one. Thanks.

All the more anti-American actions staining the peranut-gallery president.

83 posted on 09/05/2004 9:48:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
>>>>It wasn't prepared by the National Archives Retired Records Section (as was the DD215 on March 12, 2001). It was prepared by the Naval Military Personnel Command, Office of Legal Counsel. Why would a lawyer have to prepare this sort of thing?

Just throwing this out there from a search. I have no background in MIL

http://www.military.com/InstallationGuides/InstallationDetails?lb_installation_code=4330

The Bureau of Navigation was established in 1862 and three years later the office of Detail was placed under it. In 1889, The Bureau of Equipment and Recruiting transferred its enlisted personnel activities to the Bureau of Navigation as well. On 13 May 1942, the command's name changed to the Bureau of Naval Personnel, and in 1982 it changed to Naval Military Personnel Command. In 1991, the name changed back to the Bureau of Naval Personnel or "BUPERS" for short. BUPERS is led by the Chief of Naval Personnel. The organizational chart for Navy Personnel Command is as follows: NPC-00, Commander, Navy Personnel Command; NPC-01, Administrative Officer; NPC-02, Comptroller/Resources Management Office; NPC-03, Management & Organizational Services Office; NPC-05, Public Affairs Office; NPC-06, Office of Legal Counsel; NPC-3, Business Operations; NPC-4, Distribution; NPC-6, Personal Readiness & Community Support; NPC-8, Pers Progression, Performance & Security; and NPC-9, Reserve Personnel Management.

84 posted on 09/05/2004 9:48:36 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: Eastbound

Thank you so much for the information!


85 posted on 09/05/2004 9:50:45 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tacis

bump


86 posted on 09/05/2004 10:09:51 AM PDT by RippleFire ("It was just a scratch")
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To: Tacis
KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR

Aw, don't hold back; tell how you really feel.

87 posted on 09/05/2004 10:10:11 AM PDT by leadhead
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To: Eastbound
Was there a president pea-NUT-ier then carter? What a major disappointment he was as a president. The list goes on and on............
88 posted on 09/05/2004 10:10:58 AM PDT by tioga (GOP, the Grand Old Party. God Bless George W. Bush. Four More Years!)
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To: pointsal
Wouldn't it be interesting if PEANUT was involved in this mess.

Editor's Note:
Please retype to read: Wouldn't it be typical that PEAnuts is involved in this mess.

89 posted on 09/05/2004 10:13:52 AM PDT by leadhead
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To: Tacis
Please do not show this to any member of the neocommunist, ultra-left wing media.

Uh....OK.

90 posted on 09/05/2004 10:15:14 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I Just fell off the boat!! Kerry I need you! Uh..never mind, it's only hip deep...right now.)
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To: ncpatriot

No, it's not true that Kerry served two tours of duty in VN. He served aboard the Gridley which was on assignment in the Pacific that included about five weeks of shore patrol (ferrying officers back and forth from ships to Cam Rahn Bay). This was not a combat tour of duty.


91 posted on 09/05/2004 10:29:28 AM PDT by Eva
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To: tioga
"Was there a president pea-NUT-ier then carter?"

Probably suffering from an occupational disease. Got too close to the core while examining the rods. He's a nukalar kind of a guy, you know.

92 posted on 09/05/2004 10:33:32 AM PDT by Eastbound ("Ne'er a Scrooge or a Patsy be.")
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To: Tacis

Is it possible that Bubba Clinton pardoned him instead of Carter. I'm wondering only because the form DD215 that corrected his original DD214, was completed on 3/12/2001.


93 posted on 09/05/2004 10:34:56 AM PDT by mass55th ( “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.”)
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To: Tacis
meeting in Paris with Viet Cong representatives

When Kerry testified in the Senate committee about the meeting in Paris, no one there seemed surprised or shocked by it. IMO, it seemed like his Paris activities were well known to all of the members of the committee, as no one questioned him further about it. Has anyone gone over the rest of the Senate committee's activities?

Was Kerry a member of any Senator's or Congressman's staff at the time of the trip or his testimony? Could he have gone under the auspices of being on an authorized fact finding mission of some sort?

IMO, he was wrong to come back to promote the enemy's talking points, but he might have legal cover on the purpose of his mission there.

94 posted on 09/05/2004 10:46:26 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Eastbound

"Mr. Carter invoked his powers as commander in chief and ordered that the "bad paper" military discharges of hundreds of thousands of deserters, malcontents and nonperformers be mandatorily upgraded, so long as they met one of six easily attained criteria."

http://www.jameswebb.com/Articles/wallstreetjrnl/carterinsult.htm

GEEZ! This article deserves a thread and title of its own, so many will explore it to its fullest!


95 posted on 09/05/2004 10:49:01 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Mike Fieschko

If he's a member of the American Legion, he must submit a copy of his DD214 to join.

Just a thought.


96 posted on 09/05/2004 10:49:52 AM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: Eva
Another example of his dishonesty.

Does tour of duty always imply combat?

Thanks.

97 posted on 09/05/2004 10:56:11 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Tacis

I do not think there is any question that there is something in Kerry's files and background he does not want the public to see. Hopefully it will come out before the election so that we can be rid of this guy once and for all.


98 posted on 09/05/2004 11:00:48 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Tacis
I'll bet the SWIFT Boat Vets would not only be interested in your line of inquiry, but also be a wealth of info regarding how things were back then (and since) - rules, pardons, etc.

Have you made contact with them (thru their website)?

99 posted on 09/05/2004 11:06:53 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: angkor

Thanks! Great stuff!


100 posted on 09/05/2004 11:09:48 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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