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Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers
WinterSoldier.com ^ | September 6, 2004 | Scott Swett

Posted on 09/06/2004 8:32:59 PM PDT by Interesting Times

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To: Interesting Times

The truth sets us free.

Kudoes to this brave American.

I thank him for his service.


61 posted on 09/06/2004 9:16:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Butchers of Beslan will burn in hell for eternity.)
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To: Bob J

Thanks!


62 posted on 09/06/2004 9:16:19 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bookmarked and bumped. Thanks Mr.Tonkin. Thanks to our Veterans.


63 posted on 09/06/2004 9:17:50 PM PDT by laurenmarlowe
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider
This is SOOOO familiar to me, a girl who never was in any military. Why is this all so familiar?

Because when I was in college in 1979-80 in France, I had a bunch of German friends. Now, these buddies were all reading special newsletters and pamphlets that they got from the Greens (not yet with any representation in the gov't) and the Reds back home in Germany. We got into a lot of arguments. They all believed they were reading the "real truth" about the world, and that the Soviets were the more benign superpower.

All through cities in W. Germany at the time, there were "red" stores where the young would shop. The stores were filled with what I considered propaganda. My friends were mostly pre-med students. They were not dumb. Yet they believed all this cr@p that they were reading, and they believed it was written and compiled by truth-seeking German journalists. I thought it was Soviet propaganda.

Well, I was right, after all. It has all been proven now.

Obviously, that was going on in the Viet Nam era as well. The Soviet propaganda machine was very good at getting readers to believe A) the nonsense and B) that it came from decent sources. Kerry was being used by the Communists, and they did such a good job that I think half of what he believes TO THIS DAY comes from their propaganda dept!

64 posted on 09/06/2004 9:19:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: armymarinemom; Interesting Times; Bob J
The MSM will never touch this because they fed the whole mess.

True...but that was then.....this is now....and the MSM is fast becoming irrelevant....Free Republic, bloggers, emails, talk radio and FoxNews will spread the word!

65 posted on 09/06/2004 9:20:32 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (I trust NOBODY BUT BUSH! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Interesting Times
From Mr. Pitkin's affidavit: 3. Medals received for my Army service include: Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal, Purple Heart.
66 posted on 09/06/2004 9:21:11 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: laurenmarlowe

No wonder these folks keep calling Republicans liars. They are projecting. They know they were nothing but liars and so they presume that everyone else does nothing but tell lies to advance their political agenda. It never occurred to them that someone might tell the truth to advance their political agenda because they cannot understand that some people might think the truth is a good place to start in trying to ground your life.


67 posted on 09/06/2004 9:21:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: aynrandfreak
"I believe him, but if he gets traction, Kerry & Co. will say that no one should trust an admitted liar."

This tact could backfire on Kerry, because if he impugns the man as an 'admitted liar', it also means that Kerry concedes that lies about Vietnam "atrocities" were being spewed from his VVAW organization.

68 posted on 09/06/2004 9:22:24 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Interesting Times

Interesting. Of course the mainline media will crucify him now. And factcheck.org and it's new young and liberal staff will fact check him with their Kerry4Prez glasses.


69 posted on 09/06/2004 9:22:49 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Interesting Times
After the 3-day conference ended, everybody piled back into the vans and headed home. Nobody had much to say to Pitkin. A month or two later he was contacted by a reporter for Life Magazine who asked about war crimes and atrocities. "I didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear," said Pitkin. Nothing he said was included in the final story.

The older Old Media behaving like the modern Old Media. God bless this man for admitting his own version of events and the apology.

70 posted on 09/06/2004 9:22:54 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Where I come from, deeds mean more than words. - Zell Miller)
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To: Yaelle

Aided of course by the US media such as Dan and Walter. Two pure-bred leftists. I don't think they were in the pocket of the communists but they certainly did not believe in the US and still don't, imho, to this day...especially walter.


71 posted on 09/06/2004 9:23:31 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: Interesting Times
Apparently, Mr. Pitkin went back to the military and served his country again- (from his affidavit):

12. I joined the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, was graduated from paratrooper “jump school” with honors in 1976, joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until my retirement in May 1997.

72 posted on 09/06/2004 9:23:55 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Yaelle

Read about Richard Kerry, his father. As red as they come..Several good threads.

Here's a start:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1198744/posts


73 posted on 09/06/2004 9:27:13 PM PDT by hoosiermama (prayers for all)
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To: JulieRNR21
True...but that was then.....this is now....and the MSM is fast becoming irrelevant....Free Republic, bloggers, emails, talk radio and FoxNews will spread the word!

I agree. One has to get the word out no matter how hard the alphabets work to try to keep it under wraps.

Three years ago I thought of the media as ghouls after encountering them at EMS scenes. Once I became more active in politics I found out they were much more sinister that simple ghouls. They are elitist bottom feeders who believe that they have to change the world for the sheeple.

74 posted on 09/06/2004 9:28:40 PM PDT by armymarinemom (Ultimate Flip Flop->I support the Troops but not their mission)
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To: laurenmarlowe
Steve Pitkin in particular felt the need to try and express something about how these men become animals in a sense. I know several of the other vets on the panel want to mention it very briefly. So Steve why don't you start off?

-- Moderator, Miscellaneous Panel, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971

Freeekin friends

75 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:01 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thank You Very Much For This Ping, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub!!!!

God Bless You, for clearing this up, Mr. Pitkin!!!!


Defender2

(kerry, what a kommunists/socialists/terrorists/enemies loving *ssh*le!!!! We need to flush and clean this dirty john!!!!)


76 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:44 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: getitright
"Even a World War II veteran paused to come over and call him a coward. don't be so quick to believe that this ever happened. I still do not."

I believe it happened. As I recall the WWII vets in the various veterans organizations had a big resentment against Vietnam veterans for some reason. We weren't always accepted as "real" war veterans. Also, there was a whole lot of misinformation and bad press about Vietnam veterans back then, and many people tend to believe the t.v. and newspapers as though they're gospel.

77 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:46 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Interesting Times; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony

Here is a list of John Kerry's good qualities:

1. He lies
2. He pressures others to give false testimony
3. He exaggerates on official documents saying everyone does it
4. He leaks information
5. He negotiates with the enemy
6. And worse, he whines when anyone calls him on his disgraceful behavior.

Vietnam, Boston, Nicaragua, Iran/Contra?, POW/MIA - same MO

Check out the John F. Kerry Timeline. Email it to your friends.
.

78 posted on 09/06/2004 9:31:57 PM PDT by christie (http://www.hillaryforpresident-2008.com -- NOT!)
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To: armymarinemom
They are elitist bottom feeders who believe that they have to change the world for the sheeple.

BINGO.....BUMP.....just like the liberal Dems they support with distortions, lies & their biased reporting!

79 posted on 09/06/2004 9:34:17 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (I trust NOBODY BUT BUSH! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Excellent news! Thanks for the heads up.


80 posted on 09/06/2004 9:35:36 PM PDT by amom
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