[Nice50BMG]

I don't buy that (an educated Indian is thrilled to make 10K a year - educations means nothing - the most highly educated in this economy are unemployed) nor does it answer Dobb's question Maybe my point was missed. There is a gulf between the demand for programmers and the ability of our undereducated population to sustain that demand. I can't find qualified workers at anywhere close to a reasonable price. I pay about $110k per year here and about $20k in India. And at that price, I attract great talent there. I'd gladly pay $35-40k for access to local talent, but even that price will get me unwilling, or sub-par talent. The US talent pool does not exist at a reasonable cost for a small business. That's another point. SMALL businesses cannot compete with large corporations without the economic advantage of outsourcing. Some may have missed it, but there has been a significant shift toward small business ownership and away from being a part of a giant corporation. They outsource for efficiency and talent, and so do I. Lou's economic view is becoming more and more outdated, and he is losing touch with the changing nature of business all around the world. Small and medium businesses are becoming more global, more multi-national, and less "nationalistic" in their operations than ever before. I find it interesting that there is often a close connection between the isolationist far-right and the anti-corporate leftists on the issue of global commerce.

[Campion]

The US talent pool does not exist at a reasonable cost for a small business.

At the rate we're going, in a couple of generations, this will cease to be a problem.

There won't be a US talent pool anymore.

[Campion]

I'd gladly pay $35-40k for access to local talent

List for me some other $35-40k/yr jobs which require a bachelor's degree in a difficult technical field. A high school teacher with seniority makes that much or more, but he also has job security and two months of time off in the summer. Nurses make around that, but the jobs can't be filled at that payscale and we have to import foreigners to fill in. Many nurses also only work 3-4 days per week.

At $35-40k, I'll gladly send my kids into some other field.

[Finny]

The US talent pool does not exist at a reasonable cost for a small business.

No, no no!!! It's all GREED on the part of employers, don't you understand that??? Workers are NEVER greedy! ;^)

[meadsjn]

What does your business sell and who/where are your customers?

[Age of Reason]

I'd gladly pay $35-40k for access to local talent, but even that price will get me unwilling, or sub-par talent.

And I'd gladly work for $35-40K, if that would buy me a decent lifestyle in America.

[RFT1]

Unlike India and especially China, the US is a republic where its citizens vote. Get enough economically displaced Americans, and your small business will be quite heavily taxed in a few years to pay for all t he new programs the Hillary(or worse) admin will put in place.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: I find it interesting that there is often a close connection between the isolationist far-right and the anti-corporate leftists on the issue of global commerce.

Number one the "isolationist" far-right and their children are most likely the ones in uniform protecting you and your "more global, more multi-national, and less 'nationalistic' butt -- and mine.

Number two try visiting some progressive, New Democrat sites such as the DLC's New Democrat On Line (ndol.org) and see how the left really feeeeeeeeeeels about globalization. They love it. They intend to set the rules. They intend to prevent laissez faire capitalism while using the market economy to bring prosperity to the world.

They assure their street demonstrating anti-WTO comrades that social justice, economic justice, racial justice, and environmental justice are the goals. I.e., socialist world government, once there is prosperity.

Who are they? The entire Marxist-leftist-liberal establishment of the world. They are the world's elite who occupy government, Davos, the U.N., NGOs, international labor, and most international organizations.

I did not intend to insult you by my number one remark but I like the U.S. being a sovereign Nation.

Many of us are opposed to sending our technology off shore -- many of us are NOT against true free trade with countries that have inherent comparative advantages beyond uneducated and educated "cheap" labor. Why didn't they develop their own economies then out compete us? We're handing it to them owing to IMO the left's schemes to redistribute Western wealth.