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Bush "Memos" Look Forged
28 years in the military | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:55:59 AM PDT by pabianice

On a previous thread the author makes excellent points about the anachronism error in the "memos" the Liberals have recently "discovered" regarding George Bush's alleged "desertion" and "dereliction of duty" while in the Texas ANG.

A look at these memos shows another problem. A big problem. To understand it, you have to understand a bit about the military. In official documents of any kind, proper rank abbreviations are strictly enforced, to the point that, if they are incorrect, the document has to be destroyed and rewritten. A document forwarded with incorrect acronyms is returned for resubmittal.

The "memos" the Liberal Gang has "discovered," showing Bush to have been a shirker, all carry a consistent incorrect abbreviation for his rank. The only acceptable abbreviation for a USAF or ANG first lieutenant is "1LT." I have also seen, rarely, it written "1/LT," although this is the exception. All the "recently discovered" memos about Bush say "1stLt." While I am Navy and not Air Force, to the best of my knowledge, this is not allowed, let alone a mispunctuated memo addressed to Bush as "1stLt.3244754FG."

I am willing to bet a week's pay that these memos are forgeries.


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To: SpinyNorman
"What really beggars belief is that a memo with a subject of 'CYA' would be missed until now."

For that matter, when exactly did the phrase "CYA" enter the lexicon? Was it commonplace in 1973?

81 posted on 09/09/2004 10:14:47 AM PDT by Fabozz
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To: pabianice

Regardless of any documents that the left is using, Rush just went over the points that Bush earned each year of guard duty and proved that he earned more than enough points each year to satisfy the requirements.


82 posted on 09/09/2004 10:19:03 AM PDT by Eva
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To: savedbygrace
Personal experience talking? ;-)

She was a good listener.

83 posted on 09/09/2004 10:20:13 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: pabianice

Beyond the proportional spacing, there's also the use of tiny superscripts in memos 1 & 4.


84 posted on 09/09/2004 10:24:46 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: N. Theknow

Hahahahahahaha. That's great. Thanks for the laugh.


85 posted on 09/09/2004 10:25:27 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: pabianice

Bump for bookmark.


86 posted on 09/09/2004 10:25:33 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: ladtx
After 20 years in the Army I can testify to the fact that rank abbreviations was/is a sore point in all military correspondence. I've never, never seen it abbreviated 1stLt. except by journalists in the press.

Hmmmmm.

Normally, they would have launched this attack within the last 2-3 weeks of the capiagn, not allowing for adequate iunvestigation and rebuttal. That they launched now is a sign of desperation.

87 posted on 09/09/2004 10:28:59 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (You have entered a "No Girlie Men" zone. Thank you for not whining and sniveling.)
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To: Travis McGee
Same with dates: the military way is 13 JUN 75, no other way. Any other order than this is another red flag. Not JUNE, not JNE. It's a certain military abbreviation, and no other, same way with rank abbreviations.

Concur. I have been out of the Navy for 16 years, and the military date format of DD MMM YY is so ingrained that I still use it exclusively. Any other date format just isn't "natural".

88 posted on 09/09/2004 10:41:07 AM PDT by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: pabianice
I am willing to bet a week's pay that these memos are forgeries.

Based upon mistyped rank, which never happens period. And something I read about font type being wrong. I wouldn't bet you!!!
89 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:28 AM PDT by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: Rutles4Ever

The structure of the first letter is also wrong. First, this would be typed on squadron letterhead. Second, ALL USAF correspondance follows a standard format. The first item on the left margin would be the date. Then there would be a TO line and President Bush's name and rank would be entered. Next would be a Subject line that would summarize the content of the letter. Last would be a From line that would NOT be the sender's name but rather the sender's unit followed by the office symbol. If it was from the Commander it would be the unit number followed by a slant and the abbreviation CC (for Commander). If it was from the Executive Officer for the unit the office symbol would be CV.

The second letter is what is called a Memo for Record. I have written many of them where I documented counselling a person on their appearance, job performance, etc. But it is lacking a signature or even the initials of the writer. Without those, there is no way of knowing who wrote the document.

The third memo has an incorrect signature block. A correct signature block would have name, rank, and position, e.g. John Smith, Capt, USAF, Commander. Again, for every piece of correspondance that I wrote, whether a memo, letter, directive, etc., the signature block would be the same.

The fourth memo has the same problem as the second, no signature or set of initials to say who wrote the document.


90 posted on 09/09/2004 10:42:48 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: pabianice

I haven't seen it mentioned, but when I was in the service, the format for any date was ALWAYS "month, day, year", period. I've had several people remark that I must have been in the military because I still use the "month, day, year" date format.


91 posted on 09/09/2004 10:43:09 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: pabianice

JOHN KERRY'S "TWO AMERICAS":
Those who eat at Wendy's vs. those who only go to Wendy's for photo ops


92 posted on 09/09/2004 10:47:41 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: pabianice

Several questions
May 4 memo…. Part of the address (5000 Longmont #8) is blacked out but is still clearly readable under the blackout… normally if you blackout something on and original then copy it not going to survive if at all past the first copy… makes me think that the pdf scan was done on a copy that just freshly (still wet and transparent) blacked out the first time for that scan….just strikes me as odd for this old of address

May 19 memo….Refers to "Bush, 1st Lt Bush"…. Is this supposes to imply that this person talk to W and also his father? Why the double reference then in the body it just “Bush” no 1Lt Bush the whole tone is flippant and somewhat unprofessional and just unclear

Aug1 memo…. It all in past tense “as of this date I ordered” not “I order” (and what date? The Aug1 of the memo?) if you give and order to suspended someone from flight status would that be in writing and would that be it own documentation ...why write a memo the same day of that order, documenting you own order (and in past tense ) is this the norm?


Thing that just seem odd to me….


93 posted on 09/09/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 ("Karma Sutra Kerry"... he's got 101 positions on any issue but in the end your just F....ed!)
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To: Walkingfeather
Correct! We don't care about GWB's Guard service. We Do care about Kerry's during/after war conduct!
94 posted on 09/09/2004 11:49:33 AM PDT by rocksblues (Ah! The smell of toast on a November morning.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
"1stLt"

Interesting. That abbreviation is used by the Marine Corps, but I don't know about national guard. Doesn't look right for them.

96 posted on 09/09/2004 12:47:41 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ScreamingFist

Ours was the opposite in the Marine Corps. It was always day, month, year. Still do it to this day.


97 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:07 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Thanks,
I'm thinking they were available but limited to very well funded operations and not likely to be had at a NG Sqd'n or Wing headquarters or at the LtC's home.


98 posted on 09/09/2004 1:52:04 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton
I'm thinking they were available but limited to very well funded operations and not likely to be had at a NG Sqd'n or Wing headquarters or at the LtC's home.

I've got some FBI documents from 1969 that contain proportionately-spaced type. Of course the FBI is a big agency you'd expect would have a pretty good operating budget. On the other hand, I work for a fairly small unit at an Air Force installation, and I'm continually amazed by the amount of money we have available to spend for gee-gaws and contraptions that we don't really need. When the "fallout money" comes around, you either spend it, whether you need to or not, or else next year, when you might really need it, it won't be there. A pretty stupid system, to be sure, but that's the way the military works.

99 posted on 09/09/2004 2:03:13 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Rutles4Ever
Yeah. I can. I was a 1LT. I have 13yrs in the Army and have worked for the AF for 3 years as a civilian. All ranks are in three letters: 2LT, 1LT, CPT, MAJ...

1stLT is not a correct abbreviation. Any LTC would know that.

100 posted on 09/09/2004 2:08:05 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (--Scots Gaelic: 'War or Peace'--)
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