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Is this the guy who started it all?

1 posted on 09/13/2004 7:15:53 AM PDT by Interloper
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That guy could be Michael Moore's half-brother.


2 posted on 09/13/2004 7:18:27 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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I've been having trouble pulling up the "News & Opinion" page on www.Vote.com. Anyone know what's going on?

nick


3 posted on 09/13/2004 7:19:38 AM PDT by nikos1121
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This is what happens when you sit at your computer forging doc instead of taking care of the farm.


4 posted on 09/13/2004 7:21:37 AM PDT by marty60
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Is this the guy who started it all?

Part of Harkins nefarious organization?

5 posted on 09/13/2004 7:21:55 AM PDT by rhombus
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Iowa=Democrat=Farm subsidy pimp.
6 posted on 09/13/2004 7:23:11 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (In memory of T/Sgt. Secundino "Dean" Baldonado, Jarales, NM-KIA Bien Hoa AFB, RVN 1965)
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The next time I have a question about the origin of the Cosmos or an unanswerable crossword puzzle, I'll be sure to ask an Iowa pig farmer.
7 posted on 09/13/2004 7:23:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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bumping


9 posted on 09/13/2004 7:31:01 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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Well, a Google of Mr. Heldt certainly turns up some interesting things.
13 posted on 09/13/2004 7:34:11 AM PDT by XXXXX88XXXXX (I'm Not Fonda Hanoi John.)
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bump


14 posted on 09/13/2004 7:34:20 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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Heldt to Harkin to Mapes to Rather? Rather's unimpeachable source is Sen. Tom Harkin?


15 posted on 09/13/2004 7:36:46 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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pig farmer bump


16 posted on 09/13/2004 7:38:58 AM PDT by Unruly Human (An Khe, Pleiku, DakTo 68-69)
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Mr. Ashcroft please prosecute this turd.


24 posted on 09/13/2004 7:57:07 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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I understand that the investigation of the CBS forgeries has been turned over to the same crack team of investigators working on the Berger document thefts and the memos of the dem members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. This task force is headed by a director appointed by President Clinton and Attorney General Reno. It expects to issue a comprehensive, detailed report - never!


25 posted on 09/13/2004 8:04:31 AM PDT by Tacis (Kerryquiddick - It's all about forging documents and selling out America!)
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From spectator.org:

REPORTERS ARE ALSO LOOKING at staff and associates of Sen. Tom Harkin, who enthusiastically held a press conference on Thursday morning using the forged documents as the tent pole for attacks against President Bush. Harkin called Bush a "liar."

"Harkin has been pushing this story for a while," says the CBS producer. "Not this specific story, but the 'Bush is a liar about his record' story. His people seemed particularly interested in making sure they could keep their boss up to date on what was going on."


27 posted on 09/13/2004 8:07:22 AM PDT by texjan
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Looks like he's delivering the Iowa Votes to Kerry!

Is he the Organic Pig Farmer Tereza spoke of in her remarks in Des Moines?

I don't think most Iowa farmers are going to be happy with this guy. Most of them are honest farmers trying to make a living. They don't take to being called liars!
28 posted on 09/13/2004 8:07:50 AM PDT by not2worry (The future of Our Country is in Our Hands on November 4, 2004!)
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I found this late last night:

The Raw Story 9/12/2004

Source for CBS memos ‘disgruntled officer;’ Kerry camp readies attack team

Filed under: General— site admin @ 8:54 pm

A principal source for the CBS story about President Bush’s National Guard duty was Bill Burkett, a disgruntled former Guard officer, who says he was present at Guard headquarters in Austin in 1997 when a top aide to then Governor Bush ordered records sanitized to protect himself, Newsweek will report Monday. Typed memos from the early ’70s suggesting officers were pressured to give Bush special treatment and “sugarcoat” increasingly negative evaluations were a central part of the CBS 60 Minutes report.

Meanwhile, Sen. John Kerry is preparing to attack President Bush’s failure to complete his term of service in the National Guard, as well as a new relevation that Bush once lied about having served in the Air Force (story on Raw Story front page).

Other Guard officials disputed Burkett’s account and the Bush aide involved, Joe Allbaugh, called it “absolute garbage.” Burkett may have a motive to make trouble for the powers that be. In 1998, he grew gravely ill on a Guard mission to Panama, causing him to be hospitalized, and he suffered two nervous breakdowns. He unsuccessfully sued for medical expenses.

Still, in theory, Burkett may have had access to any Guard records that, in a friend’s words, “didn’t make it to the shredder,” report Chief Political Correspondent Howard Fineman and Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff. Fellow officers say Burkett wasn’t a crank, but rather a stickler for proper procedure-a classic whistle-blower type. Burkett was impressive enough to cause CBS producer Mary Mapes to fly to Texas to interview him. “There are only a couple of guys I would trust to be as perfectly honest and upfront as Bill,” said Dennis Adams, a former Guard colleague. The White House, through Communications Director Dan Bartlett, called Burkett a “discredited source.”

Newsweek also reports that a hard-core group within the John Kerry campaign is setting up a new “oppo” squad aimed at countering what they perceive as Republican-backed smears against Kerry. Tentatively called Sealords II-Kerry’s Mekong Delta mission in Vietnam was known as Sealords – the group has a $1 million budget and will be housed at the Democratic National Committee, where, one of its members says, the mission will be “message, debate prep, attack, attack.”

Also a link to the six docs:

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/Six%20Alleged%20Jerry%20Killian%20documents.pdf


30 posted on 09/13/2004 8:27:52 AM PDT by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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OETR. The 18 AUG 73 memo mentions Bush's OETR. It should be OER (officer efficiency report). IMO, "OETR" is the smoking gun. Prior to Heldt's "discovery", had "OETR" ever been used in regard to Bush's military service or any other service member from that period?


31 posted on 09/13/2004 8:36:00 AM PDT by yoswif
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bump


35 posted on 09/13/2004 10:17:13 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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I was thinking that we could develope a profile of the forger.

The forger obviously never used a typewriter, so that may indicate someone 30 or younger.

There are things the forger got RIGHT, like the address of the 111th FIS. The forger may have learned this from the other TANG docs available on the net.

Then there's the things he/she got WRONG, like General Staudt being retired 18 months before the Aug 73 memo, the formatting of the memos, etc.

By adding all these things up and comparing them to the likely suspects being mentioned elsewhere, we could eliminate or pursue them as suspects


39 posted on 09/14/2004 4:16:20 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (This document has NOT been authenticated by SeeBS News, so it must be TRUE!)
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