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Report Recommends Bounty for Spammers
Yahoo! News - Technology AP ^ | Thu, Sep 16, 2004 | By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/16/2004 3:30:13 PM PDT by Bobby777

WASHINGTON - What would it take to get someone to turn in one of those spammers who send millions of unwanted e-mails? At least $100,000, the Federal Trade Commission figures.

Six-figure incentives are the only way to persuade people to disclose the identity of co-workers, friends and others they know are responsible for flooding online mailboxes with unsolicited pitches for prescription drugs, weight loss plans and other products, according to an agency report Thursday.

The commission said a government-funded reward system could work if the payoff was between $100,000 and $250,000 — higher than rewards in most high-profile criminal and terrorism cases. For example, the FBI (news - web sites) pays $50,000 for tips leading to the arrests of most of its top 10 fugitives.

The FTC, in a report requested by Congress, did not take a position on whether such a system was a good idea.

The report said any reward should come from taxpayer funds because collection of civil penalties from spammers will not be enough to finance the system, according to Allen Hile, assistant director in the agency's division of marketing practices.

"All of our cases end in a court order, but substantially fewer end up in assessment and payment of civil penalties," Hile said.

The agency said potential informants probably would be people who work with the spammers or are close enough to have knowledge of their illegal activities.

Congress asked the FTC to study the feasibility of a bounty system as part of the "can spam" legislation that went into effect in January. The law prohibits senders of spam from disguising their identity by using a false return address or misleading subject line, and it bars senders from collecting addresses from Web sites.

"Americans are being inundated with spam, and we need to keep trying different approaches until we solve the problem," said Sen. Jon Corzine (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., among those who has pressed for rewards as a way to eliminate spam. "Monetary rewards can provide a real incentive for private citizens to come forward and identify spammers."

But the idea may be premature, according to the Direct Marketing Association, the largest trade group for direct and interactive marketers.

The group believes it would be wise to give the law and law enforcement efforts more time to work before "rushing into a system like this," spokesman Louis Mastria said.

The Justice Department (news - web sites) recently announced an Internet crime crackdown that resulted in dozens of arrests and convictions on charges including the use of spam e-mail to steal credit card numbers.

The industry also has been aggressive. In March, Microsoft, America Online and others sued hundreds of people suspected of sending spam.

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Associated Press reporter Ted Bridis contributed to this report.

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http://www.ftc.gov


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To: rdl6989

No. The definition has to do with un-solicited email. Period.


21 posted on 09/16/2004 4:21:47 PM PDT by wrbones (Where'd I put my tin foil hat....)
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To: Bobby777

I suggest a bounty of $50,000 for a spammer, or $100,000 for just the spammer's head.


22 posted on 09/16/2004 4:26:34 PM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: steve-b

There's an idea. various dollar amounts for various vital organs. That might put a dent in the problem.


23 posted on 09/16/2004 4:30:04 PM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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To: atomic_dog
Do you really think with Al Queda et al running around that they are going to put agents, time and money going after Ralsky and his ilk?

The two are not unrelated.

Spammers provide the equivalent of an Internet "numbers station" which terrorists (or ordinary criminals) can easily use to send coded messages without risk of traffic analysis (the messages are sent all over the place, so there's no way to locate the recipient who knows how to extract the real message).

This is so obvious that I would be very surprised if it's not already happening, which is why I don't have any reservations about pointing it out in public.

Fortunately, it can be easily stopped -- just bring in a few major spammers and anal-probe them for their customer records -- their obvious violations of established fraud and computer-crime laws provide plenty of probable cause -- and this comm channel becomes too risky to (continue to) use.

24 posted on 09/16/2004 4:32:04 PM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: wrbones
so...uh...I can't email a hundred a fifty conservative organizations and congresmen a day...or send complaints to all of those CBS affiliates? That's where it's going folks.

Nonsense. Those are both examples of people who have explicitly given permission for all and sundry to use those addresses to make contact en masse -- it's inherent to the business of politics and media.

The offense of spamming is use of bandwidth belonging to people who have not given permission.

It's like the difference between walking into an open business and walking into somebody's house if I find the door unlocked. (If a spammer uses filter-evasion tricks, which is usually the case, the latter case becomes equivalent to "walking into somebody's house after picking the lock".)

25 posted on 09/16/2004 4:36:03 PM PDT by steve-b (I put sentences together suspiciously well for a righty blogger.)
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To: steve-b

Ok. But remember I told ya so...


26 posted on 09/16/2004 4:42:25 PM PDT by wrbones (Where'd I put my tin foil hat....)
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To: xm177e2

***Rewards should only be paid if the gov't could get the money from the spammer. They should not be paid out of tax money.***

Then the person who turned in the spammer would be in court for 15 years trying to get the money. And the lawyers would get most of it.


27 posted on 09/16/2004 4:43:49 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat
Then the person who turned in the spammer would be in court for 15 years trying to get the money. And the lawyers would get most of it.

Not if the gov't just grabbed the spammer's house and sold it (AFTER the conviction, of course)

28 posted on 09/16/2004 4:51:29 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: steve-b

well said!


29 posted on 09/16/2004 5:25:23 PM PDT by rdl6989 (<fontface="Rather Not">)
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To: xm177e2
From what I understand the "anti spam" regulation PROHIBITS the average person from suing spammers. So why don't they just let EVERYONE have the same rights to sue if the person was just harassing you or costing your business money?

The last rendition was stupid and this report shows they are headed in the same direction. Why can't I have the same right to sue spammers as the government and big businesses do?

How stupid, how anti market to prevent the person from spamming from suing the spammers. Imagine if 1,000,000 people sue the spammer. That would make many think twice about spamming.-
30 posted on 09/16/2004 7:34:56 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: steve-b
I suggest a bounty of $50,000 for a spammer, or $100,000 for just the spammer's head.

when I become President, you and Blue Screen of Death will be my Office of Halting Spam czars ... at $200,000 per year salary of course.
31 posted on 09/16/2004 7:35:42 PM PDT by Bobby777 (hehe)
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To: tiamat; ScottFromSpokane

LOL


32 posted on 09/16/2004 7:36:25 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: S.O.S121.500

boy that's IS a tough decision ... LOL


33 posted on 09/16/2004 7:36:59 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: xm177e2

how about fining the advertisers who use them? ... that could pay for it ... $10 per spam email ...

Refill your ink cartridge? House Loan? Viagara? Cialis? OEM Software? Transfer $7 Million from Zimbabwe? Give Us Your Bank Card Number and Password? Online Degree?

I hate it all ... I just reported a fake Citibank phishing scheme to the FTC the other day.


34 posted on 09/16/2004 7:39:48 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
This whole mess is ridiculous. My spam runs about 150 a day and I never use my E-mail in forums and never post in the old fashioned www groups.

At this point I can only see a few solutions:

Allow any one who purchases from a spam to keep the product
and refuse payment on the credit card. If no one made money
(or actually lost money) on the product sale, spammers
couldn't exist. The credit card companies would not like
the aggravation but the whole thing would probably die
off pretty fast.

Make the fee for E-Mail one cent and use it to fund energy
technology development. (I know I'll get flamed for this
but) I would willingly spend a few cents a day to get rid
of this d**n spam.
35 posted on 09/16/2004 8:17:58 PM PDT by dickmc
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