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In Rush to Air, CBS Quashed Memo Worries
Washington Post ^ | 09/20/2004 | Howard Kurtz, Michael Dobbs

Posted on 09/18/2004 7:27:43 PM PDT by jhouston

In the early-morning hours of Sept. 8, Dan Rather was preparing to fly to Washington for a crucial interview in the Old Executive Office Building, but torrential rain kept him in New York.

White House communications director Dan Bartlett had agreed to talk to "60 Minutes," but only on condition that the CBS program provide copies of what were being billed as newly unearthed memos indicating that President Bush had received preferential treatment in the National Guard. The papers were hand-delivered at 7:45 a.m. CBS correspondent John Roberts, filling in for Rather, sat down with Bartlett at 11:15.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; forgery; killian; kurtz; michaeldobbs; napalminthemorning; rather; tang
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To: counterpunch
The Barnes interview was not a new revelation. Austin4Kerry.com filmed Barnes' "confession" in May and published the video on their website in June. All the details are here: Bush's Brain Author Central Figure in Rather-Gate
81 posted on 09/18/2004 8:32:12 PM PDT by hobson
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

This article is as fair as the Washington Post gets...but I am AMAZED at the total lack of logic by these C BS journalists. They are so surprised that people are focusing on the forgeries and not the story.
HELLLLLOOOOO! If the "new" evidence to support an old, unproven story turns out to be forged, then the story has lost all credibility! And journalists who disregard "red flags" by their experts as Rather and Mapes did deserve to lose all credibility as well.


82 posted on 09/18/2004 8:33:17 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: daviscupper
"CBS used forged documents to smear a sitting President with the intent to adversely impact his chances of getting reelected. In a time of War this is near treasonous behavior."

Yup. This was nothing less than a failed coup attempt. This is what happens when the media bias meter goes so hard over to the left that it breaks the glass and the hatred for a conservative president is so deep that they ignore all the warning signs and blindly forge ahead with intent to maliciously inflict maximum damage to the president's reelection chances before anyone knows what's happening. We also know that both the DNC and the Kerry Campaign were involved at various levels. My question is, how far up into the DNC and Kerry Campaign chain will the trail actually lead? What did Senator Kerry know and when did he know it?

83 posted on 09/18/2004 8:33:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Biblebelter
I'm not sure who's more crazy and obsessed

A guy with a history of lets say, mental instability and an unreasoned hatred of President Bush

or a major TV news organization that wastes 4 or 5 YEARS trying to track down some dirt, based on hearsay, and little else, on the son of the guy who dissed Gunga Dan on nation wide TV

both sounds equally crazy to me
84 posted on 09/18/2004 8:33:50 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: counterpunch

Excellent point and one that I have not heard yet. I have wondered why Barnes changed his story, but your analysis of the "time-line" makes sense.


85 posted on 09/18/2004 8:37:17 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: bayourod

accept = except


86 posted on 09/18/2004 8:37:39 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: jhouston
What a bizarre story. Full of exquisite details and full of holes you could drive a SUV through.

The story closes with CBS maintaining that noone has questioned the story, just the documents. The Post fails to mention Staudt and the Killian family's denying the truth of the story.

Lots of details on Burkett, but no mention that he was in the Army Guard, just that he was in the "Guard." An essential point considering that one of the problems with the memos is their usage of Army lingo in some places.

There are also a few questions not raised in this article. Will CBS reveal their source for the documents if CBS recognizes they are fraudulent? Will anyone at CBS be held accountable? Will anyone at CBS be fired? Was there any contact between CBS and high ranking Kerry campaign or DNC officials? Did CBS pay for the documents? Why do the documents given to the analysts have a Abilene, Texas Kinko's timestamp on them when Rather and Mapes met with the source? If Rather and Mapes met with the source, how come Rather said (another point not in the article) that CBS only had copies of the documents?

Finally, there is no mention of the long awaited statement by Andrew Heyward and why it took so long to release, nor of CBS' own CYA memo and in-house Rather interview sent to their affiliates.

87 posted on 09/18/2004 8:38:01 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: t2buckeye

see #81


88 posted on 09/18/2004 8:39:36 PM PDT by hobson
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I don't see how some people can say CBS was set up....I am sorry but this evidence right here tells me they knew damn well those docs were fake and didn't care!!! THEY JUST didn't CARE they knew they were reporting BS to the AMerican Public!! They should lose their air waves I am so sick of the media lying to us !!

Evidence:

Emily Will, a veteran document examiner from North Carolina, told ABC News she saw problems right away with the one document CBS hired her to check the weekend before the broadcast.

"I found five significant differences in the questioned handwriting, and I found problems with the printing itself as to whether it could have been produced by a typewriter," she said.

Will says she sent the CBS producer an e-mail message about her concerns and strongly urged the network the night before the broadcast not to use the documents.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_040914.html

CBS was told be three different examiners and didn't listen to them!!! I hope they burn in the fire they started!


89 posted on 09/18/2004 8:40:07 PM PDT by FactsNotHearsayPlease
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To: Cboldt

Sure, that is a possibility, but these were new forgeries. It's not like they were floating around on the internet. Barnes had direct contact with someone in the chain of custody PRIOR TO CBS. How is that?

Lets say Burkett handed them off to some Kerry staffer, then they were brought back to the Texas Kerry campaign headquarters. Barnes was called up by the Kerry campaign: "Hey, can you make some accusations on national TV for us?"
Then Barnes says: "I can't put my good name and credibility out on the line with unsubstantiated claims!"
Kerry campaign: "Don't worry about it, we've got documents! Proof! You will back them up, and they will back up you."
Barnes: "Well, if you've got documents, then ok, I will."

So Barnes calls CBS. They set it all up, and then a day or two later, the documents are sent to CBS. Who actually sent them is of no relevence to the preceding chain of events. Burkett sent the documents to the Kerry campaign. barnes is part of that campaign. First Barnes then the docs come forward to CBS within mere days.

Either it is an INCREDIBLE, IMPROBABLE coincidence, or there was co-ordination between the Kerry campaign and the forger in giving this story and these forgeries to CBS.


90 posted on 09/18/2004 8:40:55 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Biblebelter

"The source is Burkett and only an idiot or a partisan would refer to him as an unimpeachable source"

True..and no doubt one of the reasons why Rather will never admit the documents are fake..To do so would be to reveal the source (and therefore the fact that Rather is an "idiot")


91 posted on 09/18/2004 8:42:33 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: AngrySpud
Dan Rather: "Charges and insults are sticking to me tighter than ticks an a hound."

"...and I'm being beaten on like a rented mule..."

92 posted on 09/18/2004 8:43:40 PM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Jim Robinson

We may soon find out. I get the feeling that this story has attracted the attention of many reporters. Maybe there are some young reporters out there who sense an opportunity to make a "name" for themselves. We can only hope that some of these new reporters have not all drunk from the liberal cool-aid punch bowl. GLTY.


93 posted on 09/18/2004 8:44:10 PM PDT by daviscupper
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To: AlaskaErik
"As the days begin to blur for Josh Howard, he embraces the same logic: "So much of this debate has focused on the documents, and no one has really challenged the story. It's been frustrating to us to see all this reduced to a debate over little 'th's."

What the hell is THIS? This guy Howard should be horsewhipped. Acting as if the story has not been challenged when it damn well has. What do these jerks take us for anyway? It is because they are STILL trying to weasel out of this that I hope like hell he gets fired and everybody else who had anything to do with this.

And the forger needs to be prosecuted.

94 posted on 09/18/2004 8:44:24 PM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: counterpunch; Howlin; Cboldt
I agree with Cboldt. The revelation that Barnes contacted CBS, not the other way around, infers that Barnes may have already known of the documents.

In fact, we may discover that Barnes marketed himself and the documents to Rather as a package. Remember, there is still Danny Boy's "unimpeachable source" to be identified.

I can't imagine that Rather was referring to Burkett in this instance. It may be Mapes, but that doesn't ring true -- a journalist wouldn't refer to somebody else in the same organization as a source.

Of all the principles that have so far been identified in this story, only three characters warrant "unimpeachable source" status -- Barnes, Max Cleland and Robin Rather. But, as yet, Robin hasn't actually been connected to the story.

Here's something to chew on. Who fingered Robert Strong as a potential corroborative source? He came into this story out of left field, apparently with only the most tenuous connection to it.

I suggest that, if we knew who volunteered Robert Strong's name to CBS, we'd be one step closer to identifying the "unimpeachable source".

95 posted on 09/18/2004 8:47:40 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: ajf0
If the documents were hand-delivered, why did the CBS fax header appear on the documents that the White House distributed to the rest of the media?

If they're the same copies I've seen, the header is *TO* CBS *from* a phone number which turns out to be the Kinko's print shop in Abilene Texas.

96 posted on 09/18/2004 8:47:50 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: counterpunch

97 posted on 09/18/2004 8:48:32 PM PDT by hobson
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To: jhouston; Howlin; Dog
At that point, said "60 Minutes" executive Josh Howard, "we completely abandoned the process of authenticating the documents. Obviously, looking back on it, that was a mistake. We stopped questioning ourselves. I suppose you could say we let our guard down."

Ummm .. are they trying to tell us that CBS never authenticating before the day they aired the story???

Rather and his producer met the source at an out-of-the-way location.

Oh really .. So Dan does know where they came from

On Friday, Sept. 3, the day after the convention ended, Mapes hit pay dirt. She told Howard her source had given her the documents

That's funny .. wasn't it reported they had the documents for 6 weeks??

for Josh Howard, he embraces the same logic: "So much of this debate has focused on the documents, and no one has really challenged the story. It's been frustrating to us to see all this reduced to a debate over little 'th's."

I'm sorry ... but he is a Numb Nut .. what part of Forged Documents does this nit wit not understand??

98 posted on 09/18/2004 8:48:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: t2buckeye

Exactly, the media can apologize for the document not being properly examined. The media cannot apologize for Rather using Burkett as the primary source. Rather knows Travis County very well and he knows Burkett better than the Boston Globe did who refused to use him as a source. Burkett pretty much revealed the conspiracy before the story even broke. As far as I am concerned what he had written on the net before the broadcast serves as a full confession. Murderers have been executed on less of a confession than we now have from Burkett on the public record.


99 posted on 09/18/2004 8:48:50 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: okie01; counterpunch; Cboldt

What is the date that Burkett contacted Max Cleland?


100 posted on 09/18/2004 8:49:06 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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