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1 posted on 09/28/2004 8:12:49 PM PDT by ableChair
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I'm not a pilot, but I thought planes landed in a slightly "nose up" position, so I'm wondering how a laser beam coming from the ground could have the proper angle to penetrate the cockpit in such a way as to strike the pilot's eyes.


460 posted on 09/29/2004 7:51:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Ok....coming in VERY late into the convo and only read about a 100 replies before I have to say something...not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but Hill AFB has the 388th FW and they have LANTIRN birds.....some F-16 jockey probably lased' the passenger jet on accident....
464 posted on 09/29/2004 8:40:50 AM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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Source: NASA Aviation Safety Reporting System
http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/directline_issues/dl7_laser.htm

More than meets the Eye

Problems with Laser Light Shows

Issue Number 7 : September 1995
by Marcia Patten

"Prior to reaching NANCI Intersection...we were bombarded with multicolored laser beams coming from atop the Pan Am building. This continued until we were out of the area that the laser beams were being aimed. After turning final for runway 13, the laser beams again struck our aircraft and continued to do so until we were out of their line of sight. It appears that good sense operation of laser beams is out of hand. The damage to one's eyes, not to mention loss of night vision, can contribute to an accident." (# 89425)

Such was the surprise awaiting one Captain over New York City several years ago. Recently, though, encounters with lasers have become prevalent enough to attract media attention.

Lasers--standing for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation--are light beams powerful enough to cut through metal, or delicate enough to perform microscopic surgery. Apart from their scientific and medical uses, lasers are being used increasingly to produce spectacular, crowd-pleasing light shows at concerts, fairs, theme parks, and casinos.

Current Regulations
In general, commercial laser light demonstrations are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) via its Center for Devices and Radiological Health. When a laser operator applies for a permit for an outdoor light show, the regional FAA Air Traffic Division conducts a study of the effects a light show may have upon nearby navigable airspace. The study considers many issues, including:

Quantities of traffic affected;
Traffic flow, especially arrival and departure corridors;
Locations of aviation activity that may be affected, including low-level helicopter activity;
Control jurisdiction, i.e., Tower or Center;
Coordination with local officials, i.e., airport managers, FAA Air Traffic Managers, military representatives;
Possible flight restrictions that should be imposed;
Negotiations to resolve objectionable effects, such as limiting wattage, restricting direction and or elevation of projections, weather requirements, etc.
The FAA combines its study results with information supplied by the FDA to develop power restrictions for laser use in navigable airspace. The most explicit restrictions define a horizontal and a vertical "eye-safe distance" for each display, depending on the type and intensity of the lasers used. Exposure at any closer than this distance is deemed to be potentially injurious to pilots' or passengers' eyes.

Flash Blindness
However, there is a more widespread problem associated with laser shows, that of flash blindness. A sudden flash from a laser or any other bright light causes a spot or halo to remain at the center of the visual field for a few seconds or even a minute, rendering a person virtually blind to all other visual input. At night, a flash destroys the eye's adaptation to the dark environment; partial recovery of this adaptation is usually achieved in 35 minutes, but full adaptation typically requires 4045 minutes or more. ASRS receives many reports of flash blindness being caused by various light sources, among them: lightning strikes, searchlights, aircraft static discharges or electrical short circuits, reflections from glass high-rise buildings, and even floodlights from golf course driving ranges. A First Officer flying near Miami at night reported just such an experience:

"At 10,000 feet, approximately 8 miles from downtown, a green laser was being used for a laser light show. The laser flashed directly into my eyes. I was blinded for about 2 seconds. I had trouble with near focus for about 15 seconds. My eyes 'hurt' for about 2 minutes. All normal post incident." (# 149671)
Loss of "night vision" could be particularly dangerous for a single pilot, who has no one else in the cockpit to provide assistance while initial recovery of night vision begins.

An Eyeful from "The Strip"
Las Vegas, Nevada, seems to be a hotbed of laser activity. On any evening, three or four outdoor laser light shows might pierce the skies. These shows have become a major source of pilot complaints and a major recipient of careful scrutiny by the FAA Air Traffic Management office. One crew departing Las Vegas got more than the "eyeful" usually associated with The Strip:


"[On takeoff], at approximately 500 feet AGL, a laser beam of green light struck through the right side window of my cockpit striking my First Officer in the right eye and blinding both he and I for approximately 510 seconds due to the intensity of the light beam. I immediately notified the Tower Controller [who stated] that this had become a recurring problem with the laser show coming from the top of the [hotel] in Las Vegas. We were very fortunate, because this could have been a much more serious situation had the laser struck myself as well as [my First Officer] at a more direct angle, severely blinding both of us and endangering the lives of my passengers and crew." (# 285091)
And another pilot, 90 miles south of Las Vegas, reported:

"I was flying at 31,000 feet. [The captain] saw a bright flash and said look at the laser show in Las Vegas. I looked at Las Vegas and we both got hit in the eyes with a green laser. After we turned our eyes back forward, we both noticed a green glow around the periphery of our vision. This was a momentary condition lasting no more than 10 minutes."(# 285090)
Progress
A Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) committee, composed of FAA personnel, aviation industry representatives and others, is addressing issues of flash-blindness and its impact on safety of flight, rather than just eye-safe distance, which already is properly controlled by FDA regulations. Among the potential solutions being studied include: further limitation of laser power (wattage), restriction of laser shows to non-flight times and non-flight airspace, additional training for laser operators, enforcement action against laser operators who violate airspace regulations, and standardization of FAA handling of laser show studies. Technical advances may provide aircraft systems that can interrupt a laser's beam before it strikes the aircraft.

Forewarned is Forearmed
At present, a pilot's best defense against laser flashes is knowing where to avoid them. The locations, dates, durations, and eye-safe distances for approved displays are published in the Airport Facility Directory (AFD) for each region. Locations of light shows that have been approved after the publication of the AFD may be available only through Flight Service Stations (FSS). A glance through some of the most recent AFDs revealed quite a list of scheduled laser light show locations. Several regions noted only a few shows, but the South West region listed ten laser shows nightly. Some are temporary during the summer, or for the duration of a fair or other event; others are listed as permanent. Air carrier dispatch or base operations offices, as well as general aviation pilots, need to be in frequent contact with the local FSSs to receive the most up-to-date information on laser show activity.

Another simple defense against laser flashes is to avoid looking at them, if possible. Just as automobile drivers are advised to avoid looking directly at oncoming headlights, one airline's safety representative has recommended, "If you see the laser coming toward you, don't look right at it."

Pilots are also urged to submit reports of laser flash incidents to ASRS, and to the regional Air Traffic Management officer.





503 posted on 09/29/2004 3:01:38 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ableChair

I heard it was just the bright orange reflection from Kerry's fake tan.


506 posted on 09/29/2004 3:10:03 PM PDT by SHEENA26
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I saw this on the net a few times in the last day or so.

There was a US Military helicopter in the California region in the last year (or so?) exact date eludes me, and the pilot was injured by a laser device being transmitted (if my memory serves me correctly) from a vessel. I am not sure of the nature and extent of his injuries (eye damage etc), but he was having a REALLY hard time getting disbility from the DoD for that specific injury.

I am not sure if the article was culled from www.military.com or another clearing house, but I believe that this was a fairly recent case (in the last year or so - roughly). Dig up that story and you'll see what I am talking about.

There is a potential pattern here.


518 posted on 09/29/2004 3:26:26 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (The only way to fight terrorism is to exterminate all of the terrorists..)
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Interesting aside, my radar detector goes off whenever I pass by a large airport. Not for radar, but the laser detector alarm.


529 posted on 09/29/2004 3:41:18 PM PDT by demsux
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Greta Van Susteren reported that a Delta pilot enroute to Salt Lake City was lazed in the cockpit this last Wednesday. Only country I know that has that hardware (for lazing bomber pilots) was the Soviet Union.

We built a similar system.

535 posted on 09/29/2004 3:51:14 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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Were there any friggin' sharks involved in the attack?

/hope the joke wasn't used already


568 posted on 09/29/2004 8:28:22 PM PDT by Quick1
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