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Prohibiting Pornography -- A Moral Imperative
Morality in Media ^ | 1984 | Paul J. McGeady

Posted on 09/30/2004 1:56:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: robertpaulsen
robertpaulsen wrote:

As written by the Founding Fathers, you were guaranteed two things when it came to religion.
1) Congress was forbidden from creating a national religion.

True.

If the states wished to create, or continue with, a state-sponsored and state-funded religion, that was hunky dory with the framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Not true paulsen. -- New states were required to create republican forms of government, not theocracies.
If the original states wished to continue with their various state-sponsored and state-funded religions, that was permitted by the clever wording of the 1st.
The compromise worked. State religions died out, and new territories like Utah were not allowed to favor or establish state religions.

2) Congress was forbidden from making any law which prohibited the free exercise of an individual's religion.

True.

The states, however, were free to do so.

Not true paulsen. Article VI made clear that our Constitution & its Amendments were the Law of the Land, -- the "Laws of any State to the Contrary, notwithstanding".

341 posted on 10/01/2004 2:02:02 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: CSM
"and it is clearly consitutional because a couple of robe wearers said it is so!"

They are unelected and unaccountable.

The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 was passed by both houses of Congress, and signed by the President. They answer directly to the people. The people have an opportunity every two years to change the makeup of Congress and repeal, or modify, the current drug laws.

Not so with any aspect of abortion, even partial-birth.

342 posted on 10/01/2004 2:09:55 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It's straight patriotic Christians who will free the world from Islamic terror, not faggot punks like you.

So the purpose of these threads is personal attacks ?

343 posted on 10/01/2004 2:12:34 PM PDT by jimt
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To: CSM
"shows your support for fining and improsing poeple who have different morals than you do."

You also support this. Stealing is immoral. Killing is immoral.

You love laws against immoral acts. Just not "certain" immoral acts.

So get off your high horse, preacher-man, and join the crowd.

344 posted on 10/01/2004 2:13:29 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: CSM
So you are totally fine with Abortion being legal? I mean, that is clearly the way we want it in a free republic and it is clearly consitutional because a couple of robe wearers said it is so!

The people didn't want that. It was forced on them by people who argued, "you can't legislate morality" and "keep religion out of government." The moral relativists just moved the line of what was acceptable, just as they have with the definition of "obscenity." The vast majority used to know that abortion was wrong, just like they used to know obscenity was.

Abortion is just another one of your "victimless crimes" to the left. That won't work with me, because I don't concede that the government can't enforce laws against "victimless crimes" as you do.

345 posted on 10/01/2004 2:20:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." - John Adams)
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To: Paloma_55; Tailgunner Joe
I'm with you.

To the others, methinks thou dost protest too much.

346 posted on 10/01/2004 2:20:18 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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To: tpaine
"Congress shall make no law ..." is how I believe the First Amendment starts out. It says nothing about the states.

The above wording is what the Founders signed off on. Which is what I so clearly pointed out in my post.

A state-sponsored and state-funded religion is not a theocracy. Geez, even England wasn't a theocracy. I have no idea what you're talking about.

347 posted on 10/01/2004 2:20:32 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: jimt
I take it personally when someone says my religion is the equivalent of the Taliban. Any ignorant fairy punks who come in here with that commie garbage need to get to the NAACP convention and lick Julian Bond's shoes.
348 posted on 10/01/2004 2:22:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." - John Adams)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"They've legalized prostitution in some other countries. Why don't you go to one of them if that's the kind of place you want to live."

They've uesed government guns to enforce specified morality in other countries, specifically outlawing pornography. Why don't you go to one of those countries.

"Conservative Americans will fight to our last breaths to stop lily-livered liberals from turning our nation into some AIDS-ridden Needle Park"

Your completely missing the point, or more accurately purposefully ignoring the point. As a private citizen you are free to promote your morals as much as you want. The government is not a tool available for you to take those actions. The same tools you want to use to enforce your morality are being used by those "lily-livered" liberals to turn the nation into some AIDS-ridden needle park.

What you don't realize is that by using the same tools, you too are "lilly-livered" and just handing more power to your enemy.


349 posted on 10/01/2004 2:28:48 PM PDT by CSM ("Don't be economic girlie men!" - Governator, August 31, 2004, RNC)
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To: robertpaulsen
"and it is clearly consitutional because a couple of robe wearers said it is so!"

They are unelected and unaccountable.

The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 was passed by both houses of Congress, and signed by the President. They answer directly to the people. The people have an opportunity every two years to change the makeup of Congress and repeal, or modify, the current drug laws.

Not so with any aspect of abortion, even partial-birth.

But you have to weasel your way around the VAWA to maintain that position. Some "unelected robe wearers" struck down a law against what are inarguably immoral acts, passed by both houses of Congress, and signed by the President.

350 posted on 10/01/2004 2:32:02 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpaine
"New states were required to create republican forms of government, not theocracies."

Do you understand what a "republic" is? It is " political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them." (American Heritage Dictionary, 4th Edition). The establishment of a state church does not per se make a system non-republican.

Following the ratification of the Constitution (and the First amendment) most states had established churches. Yet no one claimed that they were unconstitutional. Are you that much smarter than the people who drafted and ratified the Constitution? Or could they have perhaps understood the document better than you do?

The reason that the Mormon Church was forced to be disestablished was not on grounds that it violated the Constitution but because its moral tenants were repugnant to the population of the rest of the country. BTW, can you cite one case where the Court struck down public religion on the "Republican form of government" argument?
Please note that I am not advocating the establishment of churches at the state level, just trying to educate you on a basic political definition and historical fact.
351 posted on 10/01/2004 2:32:25 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: ServesURight
Viva la porn!

This attitude is truly scary. Tell that to Jeffrey Curley! Oh wait; he's dead. Murdered by a couple of NAMBLA members inspired by porn...

352 posted on 10/01/2004 2:35:58 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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To: robertpaulsen
You have no idea of what our Constituion 'is talking about', paulsen.
You're a hopeless case.

As I said earlier:
-- You specialize in making pointless, nitpicking observations and it's become obvious that your pitiful need for attention is driving you mad.
Get a life. -- If you feel it is your mission to bedevil everyone on FR, at least make some ATTEMPT to keep your comments in context & apropos to the discussion at hand.
As it is, most of your posts amount to little more than spam.

353 posted on 10/01/2004 2:39:00 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It should frighten you that liberals want to enforce their lack of morality on us at gunpoint. Conservative morality doesn't frighten me. Why does it frighten you?

Joe, I've noticed that no one can give you an answer for this. Libertines.

354 posted on 10/01/2004 2:45:04 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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To: CSM
The same tools you want to use to enforce your morality are being used by those "lily-livered" liberals to turn the nation into some AIDS-ridden needle park.

No, your anarchist arguments against all morality in law are.

My arguments are what's fighting drugs and prostitution in the U.S. It's no coincidence that those who see no problem with porn also want drugs and prostitution legalized. They would turn the reigns of power over to gangster pimps who would whore out America's youth.

355 posted on 10/01/2004 2:46:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." - John Adams)
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To: tpaine
Even if one accepts your notion that the state has powers but not rights, (except, one would think, the right to exercises its powers) one of the powers that states possess is the police power. This includes thew power to regulate for health, safety and morals.
356 posted on 10/01/2004 2:50:10 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: BearCub

You must have an awfully good filter on your computer! Before I set my spam filter to HIGH (with Earthlink) I was innundated with unwanted images in my inbox. It saddens me to no end to realize that children have seen those same images and been mentally raped--- had their innocence stolen. If this doesn't bother you (not you specifically, BearCub---anyone reading this), then you are too far gone.


357 posted on 10/01/2004 2:53:43 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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To: monday
I think we should all be fighting to retain and strengthen freedom of speech not weaken it, because, once freedom of speech is lost, the liberal voice will be the only one that is heard.

In the context of the thread, this is bunk.

358 posted on 10/01/2004 2:55:35 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("God and George W. Bush, a Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor--- a great read.)
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To: Mockingbird For Short
You must have an awfully good filter on your computer! Before I set my spam filter to HIGH (with Earthlink) I was innundated with unwanted images in my inbox. It saddens me to no end to realize that children have seen those same images and been mentally raped--- had their innocence stolen. If this doesn't bother you (not you specifically, BearCub---anyone reading this), then you are too far gone.

I use a free program called SpamBayes. It integrates with Microsoft Outlook and kills 99.9% of the spam I used to get daily. Every day more than 150 spam emails hit my inbox.

Personally, I have more problem with spam in general than I do with porn specifically. I think spamming should be a jailable offense.

360 posted on 10/01/2004 3:08:08 PM PDT by BearCub
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