Posted on 10/03/2004 7:43:54 AM PDT by Imnotalib
There is no concern for the entirety of Scriptures, only the snippets they can twist and distort. This was the same modus operandi employed by Satan in the wilderness with the Lord.
As far as I can see, the hierarchy of most mainstream churches are part of the "Christian Left."
The ordinary religious folk, however, are Republicans.
Maybe, but the DemocRATS disown him.
And, honestly, no one has ever responded to that question? I have to admit, that is awfully hard for me to believe — like someone saying soberly, "I know it's wrong for me to take stuff that belongs to other people... but I really want that stuff, and they have it, and I can take it, so why shouldn't I?" The folks you hang around with have really let you down, if no one has been able to tackle that one. Life poses many really knotty questions -- that isn't one of them.
So, assuming no one truly has ever answered that question for you, let's change that now: you don't kill someone (or allow him to be killed) because you're afraid he might not have a happy life.
There y'go.
Here's a little more. Think it through. If it is morally legitimate to kill a child (or let someone kill him) when he is at his most helpless and vulnerable, because you don't think much of the lifestyle he might have to accommodate himself, then this same principle applies throughout his life, not just during gestation.
So, say Andy is born to affluent parents. Good, we'll let him live. But then say they get a divorce, he lives with his father, and his father is so strapped by the divorce settlement and the outsourcing of his job, that he is destined for poverty. And so, therefore, is Andy.
Well, if it's morally legitimate to kill newly-conceived Andy because he might end up poor, then it is equally legitimate to kill one-year-old Andy, or five-year-old Andy, or ten-year-old Andy, for the same reason.
Hope that helps. Either way, your question is no longer unanswered.
true the GOP doesn't own Jesus.
But....they have to remember
Jesus OWNS the GOP.....and works thru US.
Yes it is. I have always believed it is impossible to be a liberal, and a true, born again Christian. I think the majority of liberal positions, are anti Biblical.
"And I believe the Democrats of years past would be disgusted by the positions and what passes for leadership in the Democratic party today."
Based upon what I have encountered by most "Christian" churches they are still serving milk to the sheep. Their religion teaching never gets passed the fact that Christ said there would always be "poor" among you "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This is not you are going to hell post, cause nobody will go to hell with out a full hearing first and the individual will willingly make that decision.
OK, now I've read the article, the author is one of those who is a socialists, but calls himself a liberal.
Interesting that he considers socialism to be a manifestation of Christianity.
So should all kids not in the home of their parents --- adopted to couples who wanted kids, or in foster homes, or in orphanages or other group homes be put to death?
Jesus never once denied that an individual has a responsibility to work AND to serve others. The problem is that He wants us to CHOOSE to do so and not be forced or coerced. From a Christian perspective it would be awesome if our government fully and truly operated on Biblical principles and standards but it does not.
I don't begrudge my brothers and sisters in Christ for wanting to use government as a force for good and social change. I believe that there is a legitimate debate for that political philosophy. However, if a candidate or political party is opposed to Biblical standards then I cannot see any justification for their support by Christians.
With Clinton we have discovered what happens to government with an amoral (or rather IMmoral) leader:
I find it unthinkable and totally baffling how a Christian can openly support, indeed even campaign for, a platform that endorses killing babies, no moral standards, and not making individuals responsible for their actions (or inactions). With Jesus you knew exactly what He stood for - he made it very clear, very black-and-white. Jesus did not "nuance" His positions. He said what He meant and He meant what He said ("Let your yes be yes..." Matthew 5:37). If we are to use the author's argument then which candidate most resembles Jesus in this regard?
That's just it--the baby who is allowed to live has a chance. An aborted life has no chance at all. The woman who chooses to abort and realizes, down the road, what a horrific mistake she made, has no chance to go back and set things right.
While I do not condone promiscuity, I would rather help support a woman who has six kids by six different men than I would support a woman who has six abortions by six different men.
Jesus refused to be drawn into the politics of his day, as much as they tried. His kingdom "is not of this earth", remember?
The sermon on the mount hit the bullseye target of the limited morality its audience functioned in ("Do not commit adultery", "Do not murder", etc). Jesus opened up to them an unlimited guilt by saying that lust was the same as adultery, that hating your brother the same as murder. He exposed their sham self-righteousness so as to lead them to Him (not some political party).
When was the last time you heard any politician say "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life...and everything else is not"? You didn't, because THAT is Christian, and neither good nor evil governments say it, because they are equally enemies of Christ as Lord.
True, the Lord did not kill anyone. He also commanded agape toward the brethren. However, liberals like to refer to his life as an example. This is wrong.
His life was ultimately a sacrifice. Believers are to "walk by faith" as set forth in the Epistles. Unbelievers should in no way look to Christ as an example. In doing so they would completely misconstrue the NT message.
One other thing. The pre-incarnate Christ was the Lord of Hosts for Israel. As such, he wiped out 186,000 Assyrians in one night.
Yeah, it would be just like someone saying they're a God-fearing athiest.
Or even a certain agnostic.
In other words, the least of our brethren. What we do to them, we do to Him.
You got it.
It was with their embrace of abortionism that Dems finally lost any illusion of being "the party of the little guy."
There is no littler guy than the unborn child.
Dan
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Nice try, Brooks, but it doesn't wash. You can argue philosophy until the cows come home but, the bottom line is that actions speak louder than words . . . . . . and your words ring VERY hollow.
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attacked the display or use of religious symbolism?
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY tried to outlaw the use of any religious concepts or words from any taxpayer funded medium?
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attacked the Christian principals upon which much of our laws, morals and legal codes are based?
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY hedonism and self-pleasure above the requirements of self-control and adherence to law and morality?
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY attempted to defy the Bible's commandments and make murder, in particular, the murder of unborn babies, an acceptable "lifestyle" choice?
Between liberals and conservatives, which group has ROUTINELY assaulted the principals of Christianity while accepting the precepts and philosophies of "religions" that support murder, violence, blasphemy, slavery, oppression and hate (Islam and Satanism come to mind).
You may blather all you like about liberal Christians (and, yes, we recognize that there are some), but don't try to make us believe that they hold religion and the teachings of God, Jesus Christ and the Bible to the same level as conservatives. The actions are simply NOT there to support the claim.
And, actions will ALWAYS speak louder than words.
Another important point. It isn't that the RIGHT embraced those values as the LEFT has rejected these positions for a "man is God " mentality. The RIGHT have been keeping the left from destroying them.
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