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Libertarians Win a Hearing in Debate Case
The New York Sun ^ | October 11, 2004 | Josh Gerstein

Posted on 10/11/2004 4:55:37 PM PDT by LibertyRocks

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To: A2J
I think Bush should seize this opportunity to make a stand in inviting Nader and the Libertarian Party to this week's debate to see Kerry's attitude. After all, it has been Kerry filing suits all over the country in an attempt to bar Nader from being placed on state ballots. Bush could pull a "Reagan" and insist on their inclusion or threaten to back out.

Now that could prove to be a coup. He would appear the hero of free speech and Nader would get a voice. This is as sly as the Dems, something they would do under the same circumstances.

121 posted on 10/11/2004 7:05:20 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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To: Poohbah

Perhaps IF the feds were to hand out more cash to everybody except the two major parties, there would be such a possibility, now wouldn't you agree?


122 posted on 10/11/2004 7:07:31 PM PDT by dAnconia (When someone makes something idiot-proof, someone else will just make a better idiot.)
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To: LibertyRocks

Here is a link to the actual court documents, I will let the lawyers speak for themselves.

http://thelfactor.org/arizona_state_lawsuit.html


123 posted on 10/11/2004 7:08:39 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: dAnconia

Once upon a time, they were handing out money to the Reform Party...and then Buchanan cratered it.

Hell, the Libertarians could qualify for federal matching funds (a sign of seriousness; an even greater sign of said seriousness would follow when they turned down those funds on principle) at 5% nationwide, IIRC.

Bottom line: they'd rather be a bunch of a$$clowns than do anything that might actually get them closer to winning an election.


124 posted on 10/11/2004 7:09:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: A2J
Afterall, it has been Kerry filing suits all over the country in an attempt to bar Nader from being placed on state ballots.

Just think if Nader was invited and Kerry did anything to keep him out what it would look like for him. Lots of Naderites would be outraged for sure!

125 posted on 10/11/2004 7:10:02 PM PDT by Bellflower (A new day is coming!)
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To: LibertyRocks

all of which proves my claims which you tried to refute: They don't really care about taxpayer funds going to pay for this. If they did, they'd only be suing to stop it. Instead, they want to get bednarik in.

It will likely be shot down on standing because of their contrived reasoning. They have standing as taxpayers to try and stop the event, but they have none to get a third party (bednarik) who is non-resident into the debate.

Think about what they're ultimately trying to do. The logic, if you can call it that, is so contrived that it's ridiculous.


126 posted on 10/11/2004 7:11:09 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Bellflower
Now that could prove to be a coup. He would appear the hero of free speech and Nader would get a voice. This is as sly as the Dems, something they would do under the same circumstances.

It could come with a double-edged sword in that Nader would add to the anti-Bush chorus, but would take time from numbnut Kerry, which would be the goal.

Bush being showcased between two flaming liberals? It would be beautiful to see.

127 posted on 10/11/2004 7:11:25 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: Protagoras; Cultural Jihad; yall
Cultural Jihadic :
[libertarianism is a] "humanist moral-liberal construct
rooted in fantasy ideology."

______________________________________


Kinda like your fantasy of a violent
theocracy waging holy war against our culture.
62 Protagoras

______________________________________


Good point.
FR's communitarian clique is here tonight with their bells on. -- Sad souls.
128 posted on 10/11/2004 7:15:12 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Poohbah

You obviously paid no attention to my post #108.
I said,
"Campaign finance laws are structured to prevent any outside parties from gaining influence.
Still, I say put your money where you mouth is.
If you are GOP all the way, cool.
No one has the right to force others to fund ideas or idealists who are opposed to their own values."
The GOP and the DNC have no right to one red cent of mine that I do not donate VOLUNTARILY.
That they use MY money to further their political agendas without my consent is a cause of much distrust.
That is my point.
Whether you think the LP is a group of degenerates is your business. But your assertion has no meaning to me.
If you believe that the Federal Government should decide that you will be ruled over by one of these two parties, then do so without my support or money.


129 posted on 10/11/2004 7:25:27 PM PDT by dAnconia (When someone makes something idiot-proof, someone else will just make a better idiot.)
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To: flashbunny

Have you read the actual court documents, yet?

They ARE requesting an injunction that it be stopped.


130 posted on 10/11/2004 7:25:39 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (It's been a long time - hello to old friends here! (o:)
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To: LibertyRocks; 06isweak; 0scill8r; 100American; 100%FEDUP; 101st-Eagle; 101stSignal; 101viking; ...

Third debate questionable ??? Ping


131 posted on 10/11/2004 7:28:19 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: dAnconia
Campaign finance laws are structured to prevent any outside parties from gaining influence.

The standard response of crybabies everywhere. "WAAH! The system's not giving me everything I want on a silver platter! WAAH! It's rigged! WAAH!"

Will someone tell that overgrown mama's boy Badnarik to grow up?

132 posted on 10/11/2004 7:28:33 PM PDT by Poohbah (SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER...SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER)
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To: LibertyRocks

Some poor judge gave them a hearing? Woop de doo!


133 posted on 10/11/2004 7:34:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MistyCA

Toooooooo funny, bet old MZ. HeinzKerry picks up the tab.


134 posted on 10/11/2004 7:34:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: LibertyRocks

"No matter what side of the issue you are on I think we can agree that an organization who would attempt to avoid legal service is not one that should be hosting debates, no matter who funds them or who is in them."
Hear, Hear!!!
I'm not voting for Cobb, or Badnarik or Nader, but I absolutely believe it is important to allow alternative party candidates to appear at these events. That way we can have real debate instead of bipartisan "blah, blah, blah."


135 posted on 10/11/2004 7:34:31 PM PDT by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Poohbah
Libertarianism: Infantilism rooted in traumatic toilet training episodes.
136 posted on 10/11/2004 7:35:20 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: flashbunny
I can't understand all the ruckus when none of the LP's here even bothered to watch the national debate with Mr. B on 10/6!

The guy gets national attention and they are not even aware of it. I guess that is why the LP only gets about 0.36 percent of the vote.

137 posted on 10/11/2004 7:38:20 PM PDT by WildTurkey
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To: Poohbah

For one thing I am not Badnarik.
Again, I am NOT saying the system should give anything to the LP that it does not give to the GOP or the DNC.
READ CLOSELY!
I have said over and again, the Federal Government should NOT be handing out MY money(and,by the way,YOUR money too) for the purpose of campaigning for public office.
To ANYONE.
Is there something about this idea that makes you so angry?
Or are you just that obsessed with anti-LP rhetoric?


138 posted on 10/11/2004 7:39:00 PM PDT by dAnconia (When someone makes something idiot-proof, someone else will just make a better idiot.)
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To: flashbunny
Ironic that a libertarian is trying to use the government to force his way into a privately funded event.

Libertarian irony alert!

139 posted on 10/11/2004 7:40:02 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: LibertyRocks
Hey, this is actually going forward?

I first heard about this early, early Sunday morning. I put on WABC radio in the car about 1:30am. I didn't know that Art Bell was on. I left him on because it was a short drive, and this was what they were talking about.

TS

140 posted on 10/11/2004 7:40:08 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Random Childhood Memory #4: "You might, rabbit, you might.")
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