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To: LUV W
Sorry, I wasn't clear. It was Kerry. Here is how it went.

"SCHIEFFER: Senator Kerry, a new question for you.

The New York Times reports that some Catholic archbishops are telling their church members that it would be a sin to vote for a candidate like you because you support a woman's right to choose an abortion and unlimited stem-cell research.

What is your reaction to that?

KERRY: I respect their views. I completely respect their views. I am a Catholic. And I grew up learning how to respect those views. But I disagree with them, as do many.

I believe that I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith.

I believe that choice is a woman's choice. It's between a woman, God and her doctor. And that's why I support that.

Now, I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade.

The president has never said whether or not he would do that. But we know from the people he's tried to appoint to the court he wants to.

I will not. I will defend the right of Roe v. Wade.

Now, with respect to religion, you know, as I said, I grew up a Catholic. I was an altar boy. I know that throughout my life this has made a difference to me.

And as President Kennedy said when he ran for president, he said, "I'm not running to be a Catholic president. I'm running to be a president who happens to be Catholic."

My faith affects everything that I do, in truth. There's a great passage of the Bible that says, "What does it mean, my brother, to say you have faith if there are no deeds? Faith without works is dead."



As I understand James 2:14 through James 2:26, what James is saying is that if you truely have faith, you will perform good deeds. This is the outward and visible sign of an inward and personal belief. Does an person who truely has faith in God go about ignoring his brother and letting them rot by the side of the road? No, a person who truely believes in God will give all he has to help another in need. IMHO.
8,053 posted on 10/13/2004 10:00:36 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: spotbust1

All that to say this;

I am a Catholic in Church for the photo op and when I am out, I am a french poodle who is smarter than the pope, the bishop, the priest and God, plus I have a PLAN.


8,067 posted on 10/13/2004 10:04:49 PM PDT by DSBull (Leather Belts, with Liberal logic everywhere they are keeping my head from exploding)
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To: spotbust1

Thanks! I don't see how Kerry can quote the bible and declare himself a "good Catholic" and in the next breath support abortion. He absolutely misquoted that scripture!


8,077 posted on 10/13/2004 10:09:41 PM PDT by luvie (WE will not waver;WE will not tire;WE will not falter!)
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To: spotbust1
Now, I will not allow somebody to come in and change Roe v. Wade.
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Why if the party of evil can say this so plainly and upfront, can't the party of good, say the opposite?
8,110 posted on 10/13/2004 10:21:24 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: spotbust1
kerry: "I believe that choice is a woman's choice. It's between a woman, God and her doctor."

The Bible makes it crystal clear that the unborn is living and human, and that God forbids abortion and calls it what it is, murder. Scripturally, it's a very easy argument to lay out. Kerry would not advocate letting a woman murder her 6-year-old or her husband or her sister, but he does advocate letting her kill the most innocent and vulnerable among us in direct contravention of God's Word.

The only mainstream politician I know of who would have the guts to say this in debate to a hypocrite like kerry is Alan Keyes.

8,209 posted on 10/13/2004 11:15:05 PM PDT by Bonaparte (twisting slowly, slowly in the wind...)
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To: spotbust1

Kerry's quote from the debate:

"My faith affects everything that I do, in truth. There's a great passage of the Bible that says, "What does it mean, my brother, to say you have faith if there are no deeds? Faith without works is dead."

Mr. Kerry your faith does not affect everything you do. You are by profession a legislator, you write Laws, but you will not acknowledge that the ultimate Lawgiver has any say in the Laws you write. "cannot impose my beliefs on others"
A stop sign imposes the belief that one shouldn't harm another person or another persons property. Mr. Kerry perhaps we can not legislate stop signs because they impose the moral belief that we shouldn't impose moral belief that we should not harm an innocent person, or an innocent persons property.

James is saying is that if you have true faith, there will be good fruit to show for it. James is not saying that the good works earn ones salvation.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Eph 2:8-9

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

Matthew 7:15-21

One of the items which distinguishs Christainity from all other religions is that salvation is a free gift not based on works. Good works come after the Holy Spirit has changed a heart that was dead in sin.

The antithesis of that can be seen in what John Dewey wrote in the Humanist Manifesto I (a set of beliefs based on man trying to be autonomous from God and making himslef his own god.) "No deity will save us, we must save ourselves". Nearly all of Kerry positions mirror those expressed in the Humnanist Manifesto I & II.

Kerry's tree clearly does not produce good fruit. A large part of his campaign is based on trying to make me covet anothers property because they earn more money then I do. He told us in the second debate that he will use my tax dollars to dismember innocent babies. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.






8,289 posted on 10/14/2004 8:01:07 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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