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J.D. Salinger's Holden Caulfield, Aging Gracelessly
Washington Post ^ | October 19, 2004 | JONATHAN YARDLEY

Posted on 10/23/2004 6:55:30 AM PDT by jalisco555

Precisely how old I was when I first read "The Catcher in the Rye," I cannot recall. When it was published, in 1951, I was 12 years old, and thus may have been a trifle young for it. Within the next two or three years, though, I was on a forced march through a couple of schools similar to Pencey Prep, from which J.D. Salinger's 16-year-old protagonist Holden Caulfield is dismissed as the novel begins, and I was an unhappy camper; what I had heard about "The Catcher in the Rye" surely convinced me that Caulfield was a kindred spirit.

By then "The Catcher in the Rye" was already well on the way to the status it has long enjoyed as an essential document of American adolescence -- the novel that every high school English teacher reflexively puts on every summer reading list -- but I couldn't see what all the excitement was about. I shared Caulfield's contempt for "phonies" as well as his sense of being different and his loneliness, but he seemed to me just about as phony as those he criticized as well as an unregenerate whiner and egotist. It was easy enough to identify with his adolescent angst, but his puerile attitudinizing was something else altogether.

That was then. This is half a century later. "The Catcher in the Rye" is now, you'll be told just about anywhere you ask, an "American classic," right up there with the book that was published the following year, Ernest Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea." They are two of the most durable and beloved books in American literature and, by any reasonable critical standard, two of the worst. Rereading "The Catcher in the Rye" after all those years was almost literally a painful experience.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: awfulbooks; bookreview; catcherintherye; childabuse; hemmingway; salinger
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Dialog---yes, I've always wondered why he never wrote a play.


41 posted on 10/23/2004 7:39:26 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: jalisco555
I was just a kid. I loved the Catcher, but The Old Man and the Sea bored me into swearing off Hemingway for two decades.
42 posted on 10/23/2004 7:39:44 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush!)
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To: madprof98

Writers, musicians, artists, etc. are self-absorbed by both habit and natural inclination. Luckily, they are just a small segment of the general population.


43 posted on 10/23/2004 7:40:20 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: elli1
All the King's Men by Robert Penn Warren is the best novel I have ever read. ATKM stands at the pinnacle; nothing else even comes close in my reading experience.
44 posted on 10/23/2004 7:41:44 AM PDT by elli1
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To: jalisco555

My favourite Hemingway work is "A Farewell to Arms". I've never understood the fixation on J.D. Salinger however - A Catcher in the Rye isn't all that good.

Dare I suggest it would be more productive to read H.P. Lovecraft? ;)

Regards, Ivan


45 posted on 10/23/2004 7:42:04 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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To: durasell

For short stories go to Checkov


46 posted on 10/23/2004 7:43:22 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: MadIvan
My favourite Hemingway work is "A Farewell to Arms".

I've never read any Hemingway other than "The Old Man and the Sea". We were actually forced to read that book cover to cover in class while the teacher watched us, than write an essay about it for homework. I was so angry that I've never been able to bring myself to read any other Hemingway. I know I should get over this but I haven't been able to.

47 posted on 10/23/2004 7:46:54 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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To: wildcatf4f3

Yeah, Checkov is good. But I read the stuff and I keep thinking, Yeah, he's doing this, and this, and this. And from a technical aspect, it's great. Brilliant stuff. But, to admit a shortcoming, I never really loved a book that wasn't written by an American.


48 posted on 10/23/2004 7:48:15 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: P.O.E.
Sparked a whole genre of similar mind-rot. Judy Blume, Adrian Mole, etc.

I couldn't stand CITR, but you're absolutely right, it started a whole new and repulsive genre.

When kids are at their most susceptible (junior high school age), teachers urge them to read these horrible stories where everybody in the family seems to be an alcholic, an incest victim, a jailbird, etc., with a whiny heroine who sits around and feels sorry for herself. And this Jerry Springer vision of the universe is pushed as being a reflection of normal everyday life. No wonder many kids seem to be jaded and cynical by the age of 15 now.

49 posted on 10/23/2004 7:48:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: jalisco555
I wonder how many teenagers have been turned into permanent non-readers by being forced to read that book.

More than a few, I'd bet.

The Outsiders is one of the books that kids are req'd to read these days. It's sort of ''catcheresque'' but nowhere near as bad as catcher--which isn't to say that I enjoyed reading it, either.

50 posted on 10/23/2004 7:50:22 AM PDT by elli1
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Tbe best of Hemingway IMHO, in order:

1. For Whom the Bell Tolls
2. A Farewell to Arms
3. The Sun Also Rises

I enjoyed his short story collections too.


51 posted on 10/23/2004 7:50:24 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Scarchin

My life was formed by my 5th grade english teacher, Mr Cockey (and yes we had fun with that) who assigned these books for the year: Tom Sawyer, Huckleberry Finn, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, and Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge. Pretty heady stuff for 10 year olds and I thank him for it. This was in a public elementary school in Md.


52 posted on 10/23/2004 7:52:41 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: livius

You're almost right. Teachers force these books down kids' throats as "literature" and it lowers their expectations of what's possible with the written word for life. Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, was shocked when he learned his book was being taught in public schools. He said, "Nest isn't even a pimple on the a@@ of American literature. They should be reading Moby Dick!"


53 posted on 10/23/2004 7:53:23 AM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Savage Beast
I'm an adult and I would would read Catcher in the Rye ten times in a row before I would read anything by Hemingway. And that unlikelihood would only occur with a gun to my head.
54 posted on 10/23/2004 7:53:54 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: jalisco555
I tried to read CITR, lost interest in it. The guy was a lifeguard or something like that?

In high school, my teacher assigned books like Faulkner's As I Lay Dying

55 posted on 10/23/2004 7:54:56 AM PDT by csvset
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To: elli1
All the King's Men by Robert Penn Warren is the best novel I have ever read. ATKM stands at the pinnacle; nothing else even comes close in my reading experience.

Pretty much have to agree. It's in my Top 5 for sure.

56 posted on 10/23/2004 7:56:48 AM PDT by NYS_Eric
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To: NYS_Eric

What are the other four? I'm begging!


57 posted on 10/23/2004 7:59:17 AM PDT by elli1
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To: jalisco555

I guess I'll have to read it to find out what all the fuss is about. Don't know how I got to age 51 without having done so, but I guess I was never in a 'rebellious' enough frame of mind.


58 posted on 10/23/2004 8:03:05 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: jalisco555

I suspect Catcher made a huge impact on Kerry. Count how many times a day he rails against his foes as phonies. (Talk about projection!)

Phony was my favorite word, too, after I read the book. But then I turned 14.


59 posted on 10/23/2004 8:03:48 AM PDT by Norman Conquest (What happened to theAmerican dream? You're looking at it.)
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To: madprof98

Theory on left vs. Right---Right --- individualism without the self-centeredness creating a strong community of commited moral people. Left-----groupism feeding on victimization and self-pity leading to social decay. Just a thought.


60 posted on 10/23/2004 8:05:56 AM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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