Posted on 10/24/2004 2:08:34 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
Bullsh*t. Are you over there? Are you reading any of the good news stories from Iraq? How is this different from killing 67 in a car bomb attack as they stand outside a recruiting station? What, specifically, about THIS incident, indicates to you that things are getting out of control?
Do you read ANY of the emails home from our troops who ARE over there? Do you read any of Freeper Allegra's posts, who is over there? Your statement is ignorant of the truth, and you're posting it for all to see. Think twice, post once.
luvbach1 it is plain to see that the terrorist insurgents are ramping up their attacks on what they call the American collabarators. Things look and are ugly from some points of view. The terrorist and their backers are trying to do all they can to interfer in the progress of elections and to turn the Iraqis against America.
BagCamAddict, yes there is good news, good things going on in Iraq, but it is not all peaches and cream. Allegra, God bless her, happens not to be in all of Iraq.
Show us a successful war where we defeated the enemy 80% and started rebuilding.
That's an incorrect characterization of this war. We've never stopped tyring to defeat the enemy. We are STILL trying to defeat the enemy, only we are trying to get the people of Iraq to do it, as much as it is possible.
Neither were the terrorists.
The terrorists were entrenched in Fallujah in April -- the people of Iraq weren't ready to fight them.
They were all lying FACE UP when they were shot. Bizarre.
Bizarre that they weren't made to lie face down, and bizarre that, since they could "see it coming" they don't appear to have attempted to fight back in some way.
Dead on ditto !.......Terrorists will be chased like the rat trash they are from 11-03-04 to 1-20-05 at the very least . If GW wins another 4 then terrorists will be shown the door..........to hell.
Sadly our electorial process and the polidiot propaganda machine has required DOD to tread water to preclude any attemps to "spin" success or failures of our Presidents leadership and the abilities of our men and women in uniform who are doing an outstanding job when allowed to do so.
Katy bar the door the day after the election, win or lose, as GW will finish iraq, taliban, etc etc . And serve notice on Iran , Syria and North Korea by surgical strikes on their WMD efforts.
Just my opinion of course.....
I didn't say it was. I simply said things are not clearly "getting out of control." Also, the terrorists / insurgents / Baathists / nuisances specifically said they would ramp things up during Ramadan. So we don't know if this spike in attacks is Ramadan-related, or a new and more violent trend overall. Not until after Ramadan will we know the answer to that.
The point is, this attack against unarmed Iraqi Army personnel, was tragic and probably preventable if they had had security or had been armed. Hopefully they won't make those mistakes again. But in and of itself, it does not signal that "things are getting out of control."
From within the article I posted in post #90:
Lt. Ali Jawad Kadhim, from the nearby Mandali police station, said all the victims had been shot in the back of the head. Kadhim, who said he took photos of the bodies, said all had their hands were crossed behind their heads.
I assume the bodies were turned over prior to the picture taking.
We didn’t patrol the bad neighborhoods and calculated that the ING and police would finish the dirty urban battles. Show us a successful war where we did that.
We’ll probably still pull a victory out of this, but it will be despite that original mistake.
We were. I think Conway said he needed two more days. Now the terrorist have an example of success and can rationally imagine a victory.
Until the wheat can be separted from the shaff, there will be a continous killing of the so called American collaboraters.
"There was probably collusion among the soldiers or other groups. Otherwise, the gunmen would not have gotten the information about the soldiers' departure from their training camp and that they were unarmed," he said.
The quoted rag was Saudi, not Afghani. But he did die in Afghanistan almost 3 years ago.
In other words, you believe that the American people would reject victory?
If that is true, the troops should be brought home immediately.
I think it is not true. If Bush had levelled Fallujah in April, he would be up by 15.
Umph, the living dead.
I wondered about that... The pics are odd. The sand around the bodies in the first pic is smooth (compared with the sand in the background), like it was raked or graded. Or maybe they're lying on white tarps?
There isn't any blood around the bodies, so it doesn't look like they were "turned over" where they lay... but perhaps they were carried to that area before being photographed, and that would account for the shirts being up (stomachs exposed) on some of them? But there do not appear to be footprints around the bodies from either (a) whomever carried them to this location, or (b) their executioners who would have been standing over the bodies.
So like I said, there are some odd things about the photos.
Where and when, in the entire history of warfare, has this concept been successfully implemented?
Where have enemy personnel been used to implement the orders of the invading force prior to the defeat of the defenders?
The 49 killed are "so called" American collaboraters?
Why would they have been killed if they weren't collaborating with the U.S.?
American people do not "spin" .......polidiots and presstitutes do . And of course folks who respond to posts they don't read correctly.........
Not only that, we also passed on all of these hot spots during our initial march to Baghdad.
Show us a successful war where we did that. We’ll probably still pull a victory out of this, but it will be despite that original mistake.
Vietnam was a failure not because we tried to work with the S. Vietnamese. Vietnam was a failure because we had no will to finish whatever aspect of the job the S. Vietnamese couldn't do.
We were. I think Conway said he needed two more days. Now the terrorist have an example of success and can rationally imagine a victory.
It was a no win situation. The terrorists would have an example of retaining control of Fallujah or the terrorists would have an example of Americans killing innocent Iraqi civilians. Pick your poison -- we chose neither.
So instead, we've been targeting terrorists from the air and training Iraqi's to help with Fallujah on the ground, when the time comes.
Many of the foreign fighters have now been killed from the air and it will be an Iraqi face(with our help) that will move in and control Fallujah.
And that’s the only reason that we’ll probably succeed despite briefly attempting a strategy that failed everywhere else it was tried. We do have the resolve to dig ourselves out of the hole we put ourselves into
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