The Jewish Vote explained crystal clear

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[Jaysin]

Hi all:

As an orthodox (obervant) Jew, I want to explain to everyone about the Jewish vote, why we vote the way we do, and most importantly to us conservatives--the future of the Jewish vote.

First off, most of the Jewish democrats are older. they vote with some preconceived notion that the democratic party represents the people and the underdog (Jews have historically been a persecuted minority)

Many Jews have a complete disdain for their heritage (as most of my family does) So they see religion as "the old world" and the rigidness of Orthodox Jewish Law as barbaric. Democrats (supposedly) represent the enlightened view. Most Jews are very intelligent and overthink, overanalyze, and overeverything to the point that they lose their minds.

Believe it or not, but Israel is NOT the main thing concerning Jews. it really isn't--the more secular they are, the less connection to Israel, and most Hassidim wont even acknowledge Israel's existence as a governing state.

And now the cold hard reality of things. The Jewish demographics of America are changing very rapidly. The non-orthodox Jewish community is rapidly declining through such factors as intermarriage, loss of identity, having less children at a later age, and old-age. The orthodox community is by far the fastest growing element of the Jewish world (both here and in Israel) today. Orthodox Jews are generally intelligent, business savvy, socially conservative, and we stick together. the average orthodox home consists of 5 to 8 children. There is also a large "Ba'al Teshuva" (secular Jews becoming orthodox) movement throughout the world (including myself--I come from a standard unaffiliated family and have become quite observant in the past 5 years)

The orthodox Jews vote conservative because it is what we believe is the more morally correct party to vote for. We are not interested in gay rights, leftism, radicalism, blind peace treaties etc....

I believe the Jewish vote in 2004 was considerably higher then 24%. Orthodox Jews only live in certain communities, and many of them keep their views to themselves. over the past year I met AT LEAST 25 Jews who voted Gore in 2000 and were now 100% for Bush. It was almost a give-in that the people sitting next to me in services were Republicans. I did meet several Jews that weren't thrilled with Bush but were voting for him because of his strong stand on terrorism and because "they just couldn;t vote for Kerry"

SO now for the future--the stereotypical Boca Raton Jewish liberals are in their 70's and 80's. They will only be able to influence the next 2 elections at the most. The orthodox community is growing rapidly and these younger Jews are staunch Conservatives (usually). I seriously predict that the Jewish vote will be more and more Republican in each subsequent election and it might even be fair to say that by 2016--a majority of the Jews in America will vote Republican.

All is of this is just my opinion but I would bet on it if I were a gambling man.

SO with all that said, It is Friday, and I am going to go home for the Sabbath and discuss the election with my friends.

[Cinnamon Girl]

It was way higher than 24%. Hopefully, some responsible polling group will soon poll real Jews for REAL to get the REAL results. I'm thinking of doing it myself. Maybe y'all could help.

[WashingtonSource]

Othodox Jews, like orthodox Christians, are growing because they have strong moral values and believe in the future enough to have more than one child. Meanwhile, secular Jews and liberals of every stripe either don't get married. Or, if they do -- or have a long-time relationship -- they have no more than one child. And, don't forget abortion. In the end, secularist humanism is suicidal and orthodox faith gives life.

[rang1995]

"Boca Raton Jewish liberals are in their 70's and 80's"

and all they know is Roosevelt Roosevelt Roosevelt Roosevelt,,this is changing i will bet it was 30+% for Bush,i know from the people i know 50%

[Alouette]

Chabad/Lubovitcher Chassidim, for instance, support Israel. Satmar Chassidim don't.

This is true. See the photo of my son in my previous post, in his IDF uniform. We are Lubavitch hasidim. I'm very proud of my son. But we do have Satmar cousins who disapprove of his decision to volunteer.

Several weeks ago I attended a "Friends of the IDF" fundraising dinner. Tickets cost $180 but having a loved one in the IDF I did not have to pay.

There were other Chabad hasidim and many modern Orthodox at this event, which was held at a Conservative synagogue.

However, the Satmar and members of other non-Zionist Hasidic sects perform valuable service as paramedics and in ZAKA (the group that recovers the body parts after a terror attack).

The Neturei Karta are a very small group of "ultra-Orthodox" who are a disgrace to Judaism and humanity by their support of the Palestinian cause. But they are a tiny minority compared to the pro-PLO secular Jewish leftists like Adam Shapiro.

[SJackson]

I tried to explain to my dear female friend, who is Jewish, that it is important to vote for the party that is most sympathetic to Israel...She seemed puzzled by the concept, and probably thinks that I am daft

There's nothing unusual in concept, she likely identifies herself as an American. And amongst those who are concerned about Israel a substantial number feel Israel could negotiate her way out of the problem. Just as America could with Iraq.

[Paul12438]

my standard wedge argument(for Israel) was "i am a better Jew than you are, and I am Catholic" bottom line is most Jews don't care. I knew I got to one of my daughter's parents when she said that she would "have to ask her Rabbi"

they are clueless

[mlocher]

thanks for the post and sharing your views. i might add, that the people's party in southwest usa ran an openly anti-semitic platform after severe weather wiped out herds and caused crop failure in the late 1870s. realizing that they could not become a national party, they merged with today's democratic party. the anti-semitism reared its ugly heads in the 1930s during the depression. i also suggest that, despited your outstanding analysis, there is an education issue at play as well.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Alberta's Child]

Good post.

I would add, though, that the primary reason for left-leaning politics among American Jews is their family ancestry. Most Jews in this country are descended from people who immigrated from Eastern Europe in the early decades of the 20th century. These immigrants came from countries where socialism had been a way of life since Bismarck unified Germany in 1870s, and they brought their "nanny-state" expectations here with them.

[Alouette]

Tell us how Orthodox Jews feel about Christians.

I respect and admire Christians who are sincere in their faith.

I have heard nothing but good things about the Jews from Christians who have seen "The Passion." I have thought about renting the film and viewing it myself, if for no other reason than to see how much of the Aramaic dialogue I can understand.

From what I have heard from people who have seen "The Passion" Mel Gibson accurately portrays the Jews of Jesus' time as holding a wide variety of opinions, some good and others not so good. No more different that Israel is today.

[Alberta's Child]

I tried to explain to my dear female friend, who is Jewish, that it is important to vote for the party that is most sympathetic to Israel.

And here I am wasting my time, explaining to my dear friends who are Jewish/Christian/Italian/Irish/German/Greek/Turkish/Indian/etc. . . . that it is important to vote for the party that is most sympathetic to the United States.

[Hendrix]

Thanks for explaining the Jewish vote to me. I have always wondered about that. I am glad to hear your prediction and I hope that you are correct. We need to expand the conservative movement in our country to preserve our great country. I hope that we can bring in more minority voters of color as well. We are going to need them or the left will take over and ruin this country.

[xJones]

To: Red Badger
There is more support for ISRAEL among SOUTHERN BAPTISTS than there is among NYC Jews......

------------------------------------------------------------ This is it in a nutshell. It shouldn't be this way but this is an absolutely true statement.

17 posted on 11/05/2004 1:37:29 PM CST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten .

True, I just wish they wouldn't spit so hard.

[Red Badger]

Remember, Jesus cured a blind man with spit.......

[SJackson]

I agree with most of this post. It seems to me that like the Exit Polls the figures on Jewish support for Bush are off.

Those are the same exit polls that gave all but one of the battleground states to Kerry. I'm not sure accurate data really exists. The only other poll I saw was a small sample by the AJC which put the number in the low 30's.

[NYer]

Ditto for the traditionalist catholics whose ranks are growing in number.

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[Alouette]

the primary reason for left-leaning politics among American Jews is their family ancestry.

You are even more clueless about American Jews than you are about the Mideast situation.

The largest wave of Jewish immigration to this country took place from 1880-1920. They were not from Germany but from Poland and Russia, which were autocratic, oppressive regimes. And the majority of those who came after the Bolshevik revolution were fleeing from Communism, not bringing it with them.

All of the socialists and Marxists of ethnic Jewish lineage were completely irreligious.

The German Jews who emigrated in 1848 might have held socialist views. They founded the Reform sect and their descendants have largely become extinct through intermarriage and assimilation.

Educate yourself

[ken5050]

The political "awakening" of the Orthodox Jews in the IS occured after the pogrom in Brooklyn, when then Mayor Dinkins ordered the NYPD to stand down for three days while blacks rioted. It was a tragedy, and Yankel Rosenbaum died, but it gave rise to the Orthodox understandign that they could not remain removed from politics. It also directly led to Guiliani's election.

[dinasour]

I have 9 kids, 11 grandkids, and 3 more on the way.

Mercy, I do hope that's 3 more grandkids.