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Baffled in Loss, Democrats Seek Road Forward
The New York Times ^ | 11/07/04 | ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 11/06/2004 11:47:08 AM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 11/06/2004 11:47:08 AM PST by Pokey78
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Judging by first reactions, they're headed down that same road that lead to that same cliff that the lemmings and the buffalo used.


2 posted on 11/06/2004 11:50:00 AM PST by Tula Git
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The Dems will have to get out,all over the US,and find out how people really feel. They never do that.

Many of them are entrenched in the liberalism of academia and they don't have a CLUE about most Americans.


3 posted on 11/06/2004 11:51:00 AM PST by Mears
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Baffled in Loss, Democrats Seek Road Forward --> Canada, Europe ...

Do not pass go! Do not collect $200.
4 posted on 11/06/2004 11:51:20 AM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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Road forward...


5 posted on 11/06/2004 11:51:48 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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Gov. Janet Napolitano, Democrat of Arizona, where Mr. Kerry made a failed effort to grasp from the Republican column, said: "We need a fresh reassessment of how we communicate with people. . . . How did a party that is filled with people with values - and I am a person with values - get tagged as the party without values?"

Talk about somebody who doesn't get it!

6 posted on 11/06/2004 11:52:22 AM PST by madprof98
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To: Pokey78

I am for anything that will shut them up for awhile.


7 posted on 11/06/2004 11:53:04 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm, Democrat of Michigan, said that in order to be competitive with Republicans, Democrats had to have a message that was "strong and strongly pro-work, pro-responsibility, pro-duty, pro-service, pro-child, pro-seniors."

They already have that message Jen. We don't believe them.

BTW you're out in a couple of years. I'm sick of living in a blue state.

8 posted on 11/06/2004 11:56:20 AM PST by ILS21R
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Some Democrats said the situation was particularly worrisome because of the absence of any compelling Democratic leader prepared to steer the party back to power or carry its banner in 2008

It wasn't just the message...it was also the messengers!

9 posted on 11/06/2004 11:58:50 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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Gov. Janet Napolitano, Democrat of Arizona, where Mr. Kerry made a failed effort to grasp from the Republican column, said: "We need a fresh reassessment of how we communicate with people. . . . How did a party that is filled with people with values - and I am a person with values - get tagged as the party without values?"

Now, let's see, how could that be? Maybe it has something to do with a President who unippered his pants in the Oval office? No, couldn't be. Afterall, isn't that pretty standard behavior in Hollywood? Maybe it has something to do with a Presidential candidate who owns severn, count them, seven houses, and yet talks about taking care of the "poor". Naw, that can't be it. Or maybe it has something to do with a candidate who says he's a Catholic but supports abortion. Or, maybe it has something to do with the stellar example of marital bliss that the Clintons exemplify - afterall, so many "normal" Americans can really relate to that......
Or maybe it's just that old fashioned idea that you live life simply and honestly and do your best......but then, that isn't "sophisticated" enough for the Democrats...


10 posted on 11/06/2004 11:59:23 AM PST by hardworking
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---Gov. Janet Napolitano, Democrat of Arizona, where Mr. Kerry made a failed effort to grasp from the Republican column, said: "We need a fresh reassessment of how we communicate with people. . . . How did a party that is filled with people with values - and I am a person with values - get tagged as the party without values?"---

We all agree that the Dims are full of it, Janet. Eleanor Clift was saying a similar thing: that the Dims needed to start talking differently about values. Translation: the Democrats need to refine their camouflage and lying skills.


11 posted on 11/06/2004 11:59:28 AM PST by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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BTTT


12 posted on 11/06/2004 12:01:47 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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"Gov. Jennifer M. Granholm, Democrat of Michigan, said that in order to be competitive with Republicans, Democrats had to have a message that was ''strong and strongly pro-work, pro-responsibility, pro-duty, pro-service, pro-child, pro-seniors." "

Interesting she would say this considering that her actions and words and that of her Party have been everything BUT! If what she says were true (not) she would make it easy on herself and just switch to the Republicans.


13 posted on 11/06/2004 12:01:48 PM PST by eleni121 (NO more reaching out!)
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To paraphrase Edwin Starr:

Democratic Party.
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!

14 posted on 11/06/2004 12:02:47 PM PST by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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I suppose it depends you your definition of values. To a Democrat Values mean leaning to the left, believing that the only ones with the right to freedom are on the left and that everyone else is a moron and shouldn't be heard or seen. They value the fact that as long as the constitution is in effect in this country they won't be able to tell everyone how to think, so they value the idea of trashing it. These values and a few others like valuing dead babies because they can be used for research are their idea of "values". Mine happen to be a different set of values, but I don't think they want to hear mine.


15 posted on 11/06/2004 12:11:20 PM PST by calex59
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To: Mears
The Dems will have to get out,all over the US,and find out how people really feel.

They need to concentrate on the living voters, not the dead and non-exsistent. Spend more time on the people and their desires in each of the area they are campaigning in, selling themselves, instead of getting hollywood types to entertain them.

16 posted on 11/06/2004 12:12:22 PM PST by rstevens
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"We need to persuade people who would otherwise vote for them to vote for us. And you do that with good ideas.''

Well then they're sunk.  When was the last time you heard of a new idea from the democrats?  All the new ideas have come from the republicans since Newt started the revolution ... flat tax, national sales tax, individual SS savings accounts, individual medical savings accounts, revamping the military, etc., etc., etc.

 

17 posted on 11/06/2004 12:12:36 PM PST by MNnice
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Most Democrats appear to care more about advancing the cause of militant homosexuality than about electoral viability. May they get what they deserve.


18 posted on 11/06/2004 12:13:23 PM PST by thoughtomator (The Era of Old Media is over! Long live the Pajamasphere!)
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I see that everyone here fastened on the same quotation, and no wonder.

It depends on the values, Janet. Bush's values involve defending and saving lives. Your values involve taking them. There's a difference.


19 posted on 11/06/2004 12:13:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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How did a party that is filled with people with values - and I am a person with values - get tagged as the party without values?

It would be nice to hear someone speak intelligently about "values." Everyone "has values." Priorities. It's impossible for someone not to have values. The question is what are they?

If you value your party affiliation more than the security of your country, you most definitely should examine your values.

Conveniently enough, you have been given four years to do so.
20 posted on 11/06/2004 12:15:20 PM PST by clyde asbury (Let's begin again. Begin the begin.)
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