Posted on 11/08/2004 7:56:50 PM PST by soccer_linux_mozilla
Anyone have an explanation of these numbers from Cuyahoga County, Ohio?
REGISTERED VOTERS - OAKWOOD VIL 2746
BALLOTS CAST OAKWOOD VIL 7099
REGISTERED VOTERS - MORELAND HILLS VIL 2990
BALLOTS CAST MORELAND HILLS VIL 4616
REGISTERED VOTERS - MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS 12713
BALLOTS CAST - MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS 14854
Having spent too much time cruising through the DU threads tonight, I will say that they are convinced that the difference between 7099 and 2746 are votes for Bush, and that the electronic Diebold machines have stolen the election (again).
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BAY VILLAGE | Registered | Tallied Votes | Registered minus Tallied |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BAY VILLAGE | 13710 | 18663 | -4953 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BEACHWOOD | 9943 | 13939 | -3996 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BEDFORD | 9942 | 14465 | -4523 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BEDFORD HEIGHTS | 8142 | 13512 | -5370 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BROOKLYN | 8016 | 12303 | -4287 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BROOKLYN HEIGHTS V | 1144 | 1869 | -725 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | CHAGRIN FALLS VIL | 3557 | 4860 | -1303 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | CUYAHOGA HEIGHTS V | 570 | 1382 | -812 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | FAIRVIEW PARK | 13342 | 18472 | -5130 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | HIGHLAND HILLS VIL | 760 | 8822 | -8062 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | INDEPENDENCE | 5735 | 6226 | -491 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | MAYFIELD VIL | 2764 | 3145 | -381 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS | 12173 | 14854 | -2681 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | MORELAND HILLS VIL | 2990 | 4616 | -1626 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | NORTH OLMSTED | 25794 | 25887 | -93 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | OAKWOOD VIL | 2746 | 7099 | -4353 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | OLMSTED FALLS | 6538 | 7328 | -790 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | PEPPER PIKE | 5131 | 6479 | -1348 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | ROCKY RIVER | 16600 | 20070 | -3470 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | SOLN WD6 | 2292 | 4300 | -2008 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | SOUTH EUCLID | 16902 | 16917 | -15 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | STRG WD3 | 7806 | 12108 | -4302 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS | 10072 | 11982 | -1910 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | VALLEY VIEW VIL | 1787 | 3409 | -1622 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | WARRENSVILLE HEIGH | 10562 | 15039 | -4477 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | WOODMERE VIL | 558 | 8854 | -8296 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | BEDFORD CSD | 22777 | 27856 | -5079 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | INDEPENDENCE LSD | 5735 | 6226 | -491 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | ORANGE CSD | 11640 | 22931 | -11291 |
| REGISTERED | VOTERS | - | WARRENSVILLE CSD | 12218 | 15822 | -3604 |
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I don't get it, is it just me? SHE WAS THE DUKAKIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER! If you take a candidate and turn his campaign into one of the laughingstocks of American politics you get to be a "pundit" that people listen to?
Why do people have such short political memories?
/anti susan "scary face" estrich rant
I should read more thoroughly, is that what you're saying, cause after a third look at it, I'll say you're probably right.
The county figures are: 1,005,807 registered voters
665,334 ballots cast
80,624 absentee
24,788 provisional
Total Votes By Candidate
Bush - 215,624
Kerry - 433,262
Badnarik - 1,828
Nonpartisan- 1,667
Total - 652,381
I'm not sure what all these mean, but they are unofficial. It could be the way the provisional ballots are counted. Also, provisional ballots would not vote on local precinct issues in most cases. We'll have to let Blackwell figure this out.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxRegisteredxVotes overvotes
REGISTERED VOTERS - ORANGE CSD 11640 22931 11291
REGISTERED VOTERS - WOODMERE VIL 558 8854 8296
REGISTERED VOTERS - HIGHLAND HILLS VIL 760 8822 8062
REGISTERED VOTERS - BEDFORD HEIGHTS 8142 13512 5370
REGISTERED VOTERS - FAIRVIEW PARK 13342 18472 5130
REGISTERED VOTERS - BEDFORD CSD 22777 27856 5079
REGISTERED VOTERS - BAY VILLAGE 13710 18663 4953
REGISTERED VOTERS - BEDFORD 9942 14465 4523
REGISTERED VOTERS - WARRENSVILLE HEIGH 10562 15039 4477
REGISTERED VOTERS - OAKWOOD VIL 2746 7099 4353
REGISTERED VOTERS - STRG WD3 7806 12108 4302
REGISTERED VOTERS - BROOKLYN 8016 12303 4287
REGISTERED VOTERS - BEACHWOOD 9943 13939 3996
REGISTERED VOTERS - WARRENSVILLE CSD 12218 15822 3604
REGISTERED VOTERS - ROCKY RIVER 16600 20070 3470
REGISTERED VOTERS - MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS 12173 14854 2681
REGISTERED VOTERS - SOLN WD6 2292 4300 2008
REGISTERED VOTERS - UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS 10072 11982 1910
REGISTERED VOTERS - MORELAND HILLS VIL 2990 4616 1626
REGISTERED VOTERS - VALLEY VIEW VIL 1787 3409 1622
REGISTERED VOTERS - PEPPER PIKE 5131 6479 1348
REGISTERED VOTERS - CHAGRIN FALLS VIL 3557 4860 1303
REGISTERED VOTERS - CUYAHOGA HEIGHTS V 570 1382 812
REGISTERED VOTERS - OLMSTED FALLS 6538 7328 790
REGISTERED VOTERS - BROOKLYN HEIGHTS V 1144 1869 725
REGISTERED VOTERS - INDEPENDENCE 5735 6226 491
REGISTERED VOTERS - INDEPENDENCE LSD 5735 6226 491
REGISTERED VOTERS - MAYFIELD VIL 2764 3145 381
REGISTERED VOTERS - NORTH OLMSTED 25794 25887 93
REGISTERED VOTERS - SOUTH EUCLID xxxxxx xxxxx 97474
TOTAL OVERVOTES 97474 over votes in Cuyahoga County possiblie. Of course absentee ballots may effect results.
Tell me why this has not been reported???
Count me skeptical. If something was really amiss, we would have heard about it. I suspect the registration numbers are dated. The Pubbies had a heavy ground game in Ohio, which nosey Pubbies in all the suspect precincts. If there was massive fraud, we would have heard about it. It does seem Detroit manufactured some votes, but then Michigan wasn't really in the Bush lense, and thankfully, the Detroit thing almost certainly did not swing that state.
yea, hold on a sec. I have to visit the html sandbox to find out how to do a table. When I paste it from excel, it scrunches it all together.
Whew. I am going to have to make a phone call and ask some questions.
They (the Democrats) even tried to pull the same stunt in Texas - more votes for Kerry than actual votes cast in one county (Willacy).
" BROWNSVILLE – State election officials are still working to correct vote tabulations from one South Texas county that incorrectly boosted Democratic Sen. John Kerry's performance.
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"She said the correct figures show that 4,959 people voted for president in Willacy County. Of those, 55 percent voted for Mr. Kerry and 45 percent for Mr. Bush, Ms. Flores said.
"But county officials incorrectly reported to the Texas secretary of state on Election Day that 7,882 people had voted for president, with 38 percent voting for Mr. Bush and 61 percent voting for his Democratic challenger."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/110804dntexvalleyvote.1b694.html
It is pretty high up on my list...and after this, I am thinking it should maybe even be in the top 3.
This is what I am talking about. With two exceptions, these overreports are on the aggregated level. Take Warrensville Heights...all of the individual wards look fine to me. And on the registered voters, the ward totals exactly equal the aggregate total (that is, Warrensville Heights and its wards should not be double counted).The discrepancy, if there is one, seems to be exactly what the County warns readers about. I admit, this is a weird system, but the fact that they put this warning in, I believe, red letters at the top of their page suggests that they know people can misread it. Only two "ward" level discrepancies are left on this list --- and if they are subdivided they might be subject to the same problem.
Actually , we should be pointed this out to the DU people (as futile as that might be).
Cuyahoga County, home of Congressman Kucinich, if these were actual votes cast, they probably went for Kerry.
If anybody has a link to an Ohio newspaper, pass it on. Cuyahoga county includes the suburbs around, and minorities in Cleveland proper. If there are that many over votes, not a surprise at all. Isn't that the way the dems work? Take a perfectly good demo stronghold and corrupt it to hell.
Clearly the registered voters in each town match the sum of the total registered voters in each ward, but the number of votes cast in each town is often far higher than the sum of each ward. Oakwood is particularly bad; they claim 7099 votes cast, but the ward totals sum only to 1639.
They need to explain this. I don't believe 4/5 of the ballots were cast absentee, particularly since there were nearly 3 times as many votes cast as registered voters.
Well, this is separated somewhat. Hope y'all can read it.
Total Reg -- Ballots Cast -- Percentage -- Precinct
14491 -- 14458 -- 100% -- BROOK PARK
16902 -- 16917 -- 100% -- SOUTH EUCLID
25794 -- 25887 -- 100% -- NORTH OLMSTED
5735 -- 6226 -- 109% -- INDEPENDENCE
5735 -- 6226 -- 109% -- INDEPENDENCE LSD
6538 -- 7328 -- 112% -- OLMSTED FALLS
2764 -- 3145 -- 114% -- MAYFIELD VIL
10072 -- 11982 -- 119% -- UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS
16600 -- 20070 -- 121% -- ROCKY RIVER
12173 -- 14854 -- 122% -- MIDDLEBURG HEIGHTS
22777 -- 27856 -- 122% -- BEDFORD CSD
5131 -- 6479 -- 126% -- PEPPER PIKE
12218 -- 15822 -- 129% -- WARRENSVILLE CSD
13710 -- 18663 -- 136% -- BAY VILLAGE
3557 -- 4860 -- 137% -- CHAGRIN FALLS VIL
13342 -- 18472 -- 138% -- FAIRVIEW PARK
9943 -- 13939 -- 140% -- BEACHWOOD
10562 -- 15039 -- 142% -- WARRENSVILLE HEIGH
9942 -- 14465 -- 145% -- BEDFORD
8016 -- 12303 -- 153% -- BROOKLYN
2990 -- 4616 -- 154% -- MORELAND HILLS VIL
7806 -- 12108 -- 155% -- STRG WD3
1144 -- 1869 -- 163% -- BROOKLYN HEIGHTS V
8142 -- 13512 -- 166% -- BEDFORD HEIGHTS
2292 -- 4300 -- 188% -- SOLN WD6
1787 -- 3409 -- 191% -- VALLEY VIEW VIL
11640 -- 22931 -- 197% -- ORANGE CSD
570 -- 1382 -- 242% -- CUYAHOGA HEIGHTS V
2746 -- 7099 -- 259% -- OAKWOOD VIL
760 -- 8822 -- 1161% -- HIGHLAND HILLS VIL
558 -- 8854 -- 1587% -- WOODMERE VIL
REGISTERED VOTERS - INDEPENDENCE 5735 6226 491
REGISTERED VOTERS - INDEPENDENCE LSD 5735 6226 491
Double count.
The rule of thumb is that a Republican must be 100 thousand votes ahead in the rest of the state of Ohio to be able to sustain the loss of Cuyahoga county. Cuyahoga county is the most Democratic county in the state. There was never any doubt that Kerry would carry Cuyahoga county.
Susan Estridge was buying the Democrats belief that they had 250 thousand new votes. When they did not show up at the polls, they figured they had been given provisional ballots. Susan thought that when the final third of Cuyahoga county came in, Kerry would take the lead.
What she did not know is that nearly all of Hamilton county was still out. Hamilton county goes as Repubican as Cuyahoga goes Democratic. Hamilton county normally reports long before Cuyahoga county. But Hamilton county had a huge number of write in votes for the local prosecutors office. So there were at least as many Republican votes out as Democratic votes.
Susan as well as the Kerry campaign were ill informed. The Kerry sources did not tell her about Hamilton county and Warren Ohio.
It was very apparent that the Kerry camp did not understand Ohio as well as Karl Rove. Karl was well aware of what was happening in Clermont, Warren and Hamilton counties. Kerry only knew what to expect in Cuyahoga county. It was not nearly enough.
You're exactly right - that is how she described it!
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