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To: FreedomCalls

The "guest worker program" is far worse than an amnesty. It simply decriminalizes employing illegal aliens. The illegals get to stay, but they do not get to become Americans. Rather, we construct an entire subculture of non-American, rights-deprived slave laborers. It is evil. At least with amnesty, there would be the hope that once they are fully Americans they could assimilate.


18 posted on 11/10/2004 1:03:03 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
The "guest worker program" is far worse than an amnesty. It simply decriminalizes employing illegal aliens. The illegals get to stay, but they do not get to become Americans. Rather, we construct an entire subculture of non-American, rights-deprived slave laborers.

BZZZT. Wrong.

Guest workers would be permitted to pursue permanent residence and citizenship under the Bush proposal.

28 posted on 11/10/2004 1:08:03 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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To: dangus
Rather, we construct an entire subculture of non-American, rights-deprived slave laborers.

Don't look now, but it is already there.

59 posted on 11/10/2004 1:25:57 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: dangus

The guest workers are not slaves. There may be many problems to overcome regarding the program, but I don't see it as evil.


89 posted on 11/10/2004 1:37:25 PM PST by fetts (Silence in the face of evil is appeasement.)
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To: dangus

"Rather, we construct an entire subculture of non-American, rights-deprived slave laborers."

Absurd ! what rights would they be deprived of that any other legal workers in this country have ?


210 posted on 11/10/2004 2:38:42 PM PST by RS (Just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: dangus
The "guest worker program" is far worse than an amnesty.

The US had the Bracero program, and Germany had Gastarbeiters (guestworkers).

Worked fine. Everybody recognizes it as temporary. These programs followed a rule of law, and brought order to matters.

The system now is not enforced, everybody gives it a wink and a nod.

For more decades than any of us have lived, workers have come from Mexico to the US.

I prefer order and lawfulness, to the present situation. And I believe Bush is trying to start down that path.

219 posted on 11/10/2004 2:44:13 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: dangus

At least with amnesty, there would be the hope that once they are fully Americans they could assimilate.



The more that come, the less they are willing to assimilate. Secondly, the German guestworker program was not successful. Think about if the economy should slow way down and we don't need "guestworkers." Do you honestly think they will go home? Ask the Germans. The guestworkers, once they get to Germany, do not leave. The German government has even paid them to leave. They take the money, get on a train, then jump off at the next station and stay. You are crazy and so is Bush for thinking a guestworker program will work. We don't need them anyhow. Just get rid of the welfare system and make our own bums work for a change - we don't need Mexico's peasants here sucking off our system.


288 posted on 11/10/2004 3:26:08 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: dangus

Please rethink the whole subject matter. As it stands there are millions of illegals who are working in the USA without INS clearance -
effectively they:
1) are braking the law to live & work in USA
2) use up valuable resources i.e. free ER medical care
3) are probably living in fear from day to day
4) do valuable work that US citizens don't want to do
5) are not investing in Medicare, Social Security funds orpaying taxes.
6) would, if accounted for, in a "guest worker" program free up border agents to find terrorists, drug smugglers and really bad people
7) may not be eligible to become citizens anyway until at least 5 years of legal residency and proof of a clean record.
8) would not anger legal immigrants who followed the rules and waited in line to immigrate.


339 posted on 11/10/2004 3:45:46 PM PST by highflight
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To: dangus
It simply decriminalizes employing illegal aliens.

It also makes it more expensive to employ them -- now they're eligible for Social Securty, minimum wage, Workmen's Comp, OSHA etc. and they can complain if they don't get it.

423 posted on 11/10/2004 4:23:52 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: dangus
"The "guest worker program" is far worse than an amnesty. It simply decriminalizes employing illegal aliens. The illegals get to stay, but they do not get to become Americans"

There are a large number of Mexican men who work here in businesses like construction but their homes are in Mexico. They travel back and forth and each time it's running the gauntlet. Better to give them a green card. I'm not very much concerned about these Mexicans. I AM concerned about any and all illegal immigration because of the possibility of various radical muslims getting in. So it makes sense to strictly control the border but allow Mexican workers in legally.

PS. I'm also OK with the idea of legal Mexican immigrants becoming US citizens. Amnesty is bad but I'd let quite a few immigrate through legal channels. But we need to get clear that we will not have multiculturalism. The melting pot or nothing.

550 posted on 11/10/2004 6:07:21 PM PST by ImpeachandRemove (four more years of dubya, then eight more years of Jeb:))
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